Right. Some people may get their signals crossed when incarnating. http://www.marionpeck.com/paintings/2003-2005/queen_charles_of_wessex.html
--- In [email protected], Denise Evans <dmevans365@...> wrote: > > O.K.  So then, how does one reconcile with the idea that there is this > seeming hierarchy to consciousness.  > > Back to my original post, Sam states that "Arranging atoms in a certain way > appears to bring consciousness into being. And this fact is among the deepest > mysteries given to us to contemplate."  > > > If this were true, This leads me to believe one of 2 things: 1) Once we die > and our spirit or soul "returns" (for lack of a better word) to the larger > consciousness...our atoms could be up for grabs again and perhaps we would > become part of the mix that our world "reincarnates" as a rock; Or, 2) once > having been arranged as a form with consciousness...the basic mix doesn't > change and we re-incarnate as human again or other being with the ability for > consciousness intact.  And, if consciousness is primarily characterized as > "sentience", then depending on whether we agree that animals possess > consciousness, we could potentially reincarnate as such. Or, 3) THIS IS > IT.....and all the past life philosophy is in fact an illusory projection of > our brain of existing parallel realities. > > In all cases...the idea that there is some "consequence" or "punishment" or > "continued karma to work out past this life" associated with the way we lead > our lives today leading to future condemnation of some sort is seemingly a > completely human construct given the multiverse/consciousness theory. >  Heresy, basically. > > > ________________________________ > From: John <jr_esq@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 3:30 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mystery of Consciousness > > >  > > > --- In [email protected], Denise Evans <dmevans365@> wrote: > > > > I'm liking this idea of "parallel" or "other" realities. > > > > So in terms of consciousness and dispensing with the factor of linear time > > and the question of which came first (chicken or egg question)...could one > > say that consciousness and the universe/multiverse and "love" persay (and I > > mean that in the context of "God is love", are one in the same? àSame > > energy, defined differently depending on purposes we are wanting to > > interpret? à> > The answer to your question is, YES! But I would like to add what Thomas > Merton said about God: He or She is everything that you can think of, but at > the same time, It is NOT. > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: John <jr_esq@> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 11:55 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mystery of Consciousness > > > > > > à> > > > > > > > John believes the latter:Ãâà> > > > > > > > > "The paradox of consciousness is that it takes a highly developed > > > sentient being to understand that it is the basis of creation of the > > > universe." > > > > > > > > > Sam spends a lot of time on whether "Something can come out of > > > nothing"...or "can consciousness emerge from unconscious complexity" > > > > > > Heck, who knows? ÃâàSo, in my curiosity, I googled the question and > > > lo and behold, the topic of multiverses. I did attempt to read the 4 > > > Levels of Multiverses from Max and his wonky website. Ãâà> > > > > > This may have been posted before, but here it is again. ÃâàIt is a > > > cosmologist who explains multiverses as the soap bubble theory with > > > umbilical cords that could give a scientific way to explain both the > > > Christian God and Buddhist nirvana philosophies, for example. I think I > > > may have grasped this concept.Ãâà> > > > > > http://liberatedmind.com/2009/10/can-something-come-from-nothing/ > > > > > > But now I have forgotten...what is consciousness and how does it relate > > > to the universe or multiverse?Ãâà> > > > Denise, > > > > The multiverse can apply to all the various possibilities that apply to > > your life. There are various universes that you can inhabit. For example, > > there is a different universe which applies for the timeline relating to > > your choices. That is, there is a universe in which you are married. And, > > there is also another universe in which you are not married. The paradox > > is that during your lifetime you have a choice as to which universe you > > choose to manifest or live in. > > > > In other words, there is a universe that exists next to you in which Elvis > > Presley is still alive. And, there is also another universe next to you in > > which the Nazis won the WWII and we are all now speaking German and have > > the swastika as our national logo. > > > > Furthermore, our consciousness can fathom the probability that our > > multiverse can continue on forever. But at the cusp of infinity, another > > multiverse could exist which we cannot contact or verify with our > > telescope. Hence, we can only speculate that this neighboring > > multiuniverse could only exist as pure potential floating in the Unified > > Field of all possibilities. > > > > So, there you have it...the whole extent of Consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: tartbrain <[email protected]> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:08 PM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mystery of Consciousness > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "John" <jr_esq@> wrote: > > > > > > > > The paradox of consciousness is that it takes a highly developed > > > > sentient being to understand that it is the basis of creation of the > > > > universe. As such, this same being can understand that consciousness > > > > is different in various level of existence. For example, a dog has > > > > consciousness that is less developed than humans. But a dog's > > > > consciousness is higher than that of a tree. > > > > > > Consciousness is Consciousness. It does not develop. It does not become. > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, the tree has a higher level of consiousness than that of a > > > > rock. This continuum follows through the minutest particles in the > > > > universe. At the most profound level, one can see that there must be a > > > > a consciousness that created space and time and that started the > > > > evolution of matter from the quarks to human beings. > > > > > > > > If you graph the energy output of the universe from the beginning to > > > > the end, you will see that the energy was at the infinite level at the > > > > time of the Big Bang. This is the paradox that scientists do not > > > > accept or understand since their equations break down at the instant of > > > > creation. > > > > > > > > Conversely, it appears now that the energy output of the universe will > > > > continue to dissipate ad infinitum. In other words, the universe > > > > started from infinity and will end in infinity. > > > > > > > > But throughout all of this cosmic lifecycle, Consiousness exists and > > > > will continue to do so forever in the Unified Field. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > > > > <anartaxius@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sam Harris has published two blog posts on consciousness in the past > > > > > couple of weeks. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-mystery-of-consciousness/ > > > > > > > > > > http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-mystery-of-consciousness-ii/ > > > > > > > > > > As consciousness is occasionally a subject entertained on this forum, > > > > > perhaps these essays will interest someone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
