Right - also most of it is identical to the ritualistic verses in Muktananda's texts dispensed in the SYDA org...; except for the part going "Brahmananda Saraswati,.... ... Vaj has discredited himself, exposing his true identity as a mere Snow Yak: http://www.kohngallery.com/ryden/pages/ryden.artwork6.html
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" <wayback71@...> wrote: > > > Wait a minute, Vaj. The TM puja is the same as used by many Hindus. When I > initiated Hindus from India they could sing it along with me - pretty much > word for word. What ever else you might think of TM, this is not something > MMY hobbled together at all. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@> wrote: > > > > > > On Nov 7, 2011, at 12:18 PM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote: > > > > > Vaj: > > > > ...it does not come from a real lineal tradition, > > > > it's something Mahesh made up. > > > > > > > What exactly, are the parts by MMY that are different > > > from those recited by GD? From what I've heard, the > > > MMY GD puja is standard - I've heard it recited by > > > at least three sources other than the TMO, such as > > > at a recent Sri Sri Ravi Shankar yoga camp. Sri Sri > > > says it's the same as the one recited by GD, the one > > > recited at the Jyortirmath Peeth in the Himalayas. > > > > Explain how Mahesh used what was to be thrown away to hobble together > > the puja: > > > > http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/text/MMY.htm > > > > Right from the very early times, MMY definitely claimed that the > > meditation he teaches (TM) was taught to him by Guru Dev [a fact now > > known to be false]. A look at page 244 of 'Thirty Years Around the > > World' (a TMO publication by Maharishi Vedic University, 1986) > > confirms this. > > > > Allegedly on 29th April 1959 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi told journalists:- > > > > 'My life truly began 19 years ago at the feet of my master when I > > learned the secret of swift and deep meditation, a secret I now > > impart to the world.' > > > > In the TM puja there are four lines which refer directly to Guru Dev: > > > > yadvaare nikhilaa nilimpaparishatsiddhiM vidhatte.anisham > > shrimat shriilasitaM jagadgurupadaM natvaa.atmatR^iptiM gataaH > > lokaaGYaanapayoda paaTanadhuraM shriisha~NkaraM sharmadam > > brahmaanandasaraswatiiM guruvaraM dhyaayaami jyotirmayam > > > > which means:- > > > > 'At whose door the whole galaxy of gods pray for perfection day and > > night. > > Adorned by immeasurable glory, preceptor of the whole world, having > > bowed down to Him, we gain fulfilment. > > Skilled in dispelling the cloud of ignorance of the people, the > > gentle emancipator, > > Brahmananda Saraswati, the supreme teacher, full of brilliance, on > > Him we meditate.' > > > > Maharishi explains who wrote these lines:- > > > > 'This was done by us, I didn't compose those lines, because I am not > > a Sanskrit scholar, but this was done by a, very, very eminent > > Sanskrit poet of Banares, and he was, such a mysterious man, the poet > > 1. He used to live us, just like us, and a good pandit, and when > > some, some pandits, learned people used to come to pay their respects > > to Guru Dev, and he would sit like that. And generally it is > > traditional, that in the presence of Shankaracharya, pandits gather. > > Pandits mean the learned people, highly great intellectuals of the > > country. They sit together, and they, try to bring home to > > Shankaracharya, each one of them, that he is the greater pandit than > > the others. And these dialogues are so highly intellectual and so > > very interesting, because they, everyone wants to, to win the grace > > of Shankaracharya, apart from his spiritual development for their > > material glorification, because a certificate from the > > Shankaracharya, of the great learning of the pandits will make him > > flourish in his area. So, they, very beautiful, and this pandit he > > used to defeat everyone, because he was a born poet, poet. He would > > versify anything that he wants to say. In poetry he would speak. And > > when in poetry, and so fluent and so high-class, so, high-class > > fluent Sanskrit poetry, and others would just sit and listen to him, > > what he says. > > He was very dear, sweet pandit. He wrote lots of stanzas of Guru Dev, > > absolutely and, and this was one of them. > > What happened was... this is very interesting.... this great pandit > > in his flight of, of the poet, he wrote Guru Dev's life, and he, he > > didn't know Guru Dev's life. Because all the time was spent in > > loneliness in the jungles, and, nobody would know. > > > > And he said to me, "I am going to write." > > > > And I said "Yes, you write", and this was our agreement that I'll get > > it printed, and he wrote, and I enjoyed it so much, but someday it > > was to come to Guru Dev for sanction. So, Guru Dev, he enjoyed > > hearing the whole thing. It was highly scholarly and very great, and > > everything that, that a good poet could put in that, he put it. > > And then, when it was finished Guru Dev said, "It's very good, yes." > > And when the pandit went out of the room he asked him to take it to > > the Ganges, tie it down with a big stone, heavy, put it in the Ganges. > > And I, it was a shock to me, I said "But, but there are beautiful > > passages in it". > > > > He said, "Don't talk!' > > > > He said, "Nobody should read it, tell him to take it", it is because > > he didn't know his life and he said "If you don't put it in the > > Ganges I'll ask someone else to do it." > > > > I said, "I'll do it". > > > > We would have used all those beautiful, sen... poetry. These days you > > would have enjoyed all. But he wouldn't allow it to remain. > > > > He was absolutely divine, simple and great, very great, he was very > > great.' > > > > Note > > 1. The poet was 'Ashu Kavi', Pandit Veni Madhava Sastri. > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi speaking in February / March 1969 in Rishikesh > > India > > >
