--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" 
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> <snip>
> > > > The only problem was that you could replace the 
word "absolute"
> > > > that the Movement used in the book with the word "God" and 
it 
> > > > would have meant exactly the same thing...so if the court 
> > > > didn't catch the TMO on the puja they would have caught them 
on 
> > > > the book which was set up in such a way that it DID violate 
the 
> > > > separation of church and state.
> > > 
> > > Yes and no.
> > > 
> > > The appeals court judge who wrote a long concurring
> > > opinion, incidentally, discussed exactly this point.
> > > It's very interesting reading; it's been posted to
> > > alt.m.t a couple of times.  If anybody wants to read
> > > it, let me know and I'll dig up the URLs.
> > > 
> > > But you could be a hard-core atheist, in the sense of
> > > rejecting the forms of God proclaimed by the religions,
> > > and still find the idea of the Absolute entirely
> > > compatible with your beliefs.  You can teach
> > > metaphysics, in other words, without actually
> > > teaching religion.
> > 
> > What I found objectionable in the high school book was the way 
that 
> > the absolute's attributes were declared as fact.  If they had 
only 
> > treated it like a scientific theory that had YET been proven 
> > instead of as fact, then I think it would have passed muster.
> 
> (Scientific theories are never "proven," Shemp.)


I thought that was the whole idea behind science: that the theory 
gets proven by repeatable, verificable scientific experiments.


> 
> I never saw the book, so I don't know what the wording
> was that you object to.  But TMers are supposed to be
> able to verify all of it for themselves in their own
> experience.


I agree. But the SCIENCE of creative intelligence was supposed to be 
the theoretical scientific knowledge of the experience of TM that 
was supposed to be scientifically verifiable.




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