The Shiva Purana has the "water the root to enjoy the fruit" thing (some claim to have found it elsewhere too, not surprised). The cloth analogy may have been there too but that was in the late 1970s when I read it. MMY didn't invent a lot of stuff, he just repeated things that were found in many traditional texts and there is nothing wrong with that. Just to westerners it was "new."
Somehow people here got sidetracked into the idea of the nervous system adapting to the influence of mantras as a way to measure enlightenment. I never said that. I just said that the nervous system adapts to stimuli (like duh!). Science is just beginning to understand how the brain and nervous system modifies itself given certain stimuli. The experience is important not the measurement of it. On 12/09/2011 03:52 PM, zarzari_786 wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu<noozguru@...> wrote: >> On 12/09/2011 09:52 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786<no_reply@> wrote: >>>> Curtis, this is all very funny, hilarious. Regarding this 'DNA resetting', >>>> just the thought came to me of something Vaj had mentioned in another post >>>> (knowing a little bit of the Indian mindset): caste! For Indians, its all >>>> in the blood. For Indians, being vegetarian is no much good unless your >>>> father, grandfather has been, because then your 'blood' (DNA) is pure, and >>>> you are more or less like a Brahmin. So DNA resetting is something like >>>> aligning to your proper caste position, maybe you get a better catse, >>>> maybe you advance from ST to SC with one reset, and with another reset >>>> from SC to OBC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_Backward_Class). Maybe, >>>> with 8 resets, you could advance to somewhere in the middle of the Indian >>>> caste system. At least you are already allowed to listen to the Vedas. To >>>> become a Brahmin, you have to take a rebirth, there is no way around that, >>>> but with a few more resets, your chances grow! But you should consider how >>>> many resets you really want! Because as an SC (Scheduled Caste = Dalits) >>>> or OBC you get quota for certain professions. So think about it. >>> Yes you are definitely on to something. In India in 1980 Maharishi told us >>> in a discussion about the shakkas descended from the 7 original Rishis who >>> come out with creation (and hang out with dinosaurs for a really long time >>> presumably) that Americans are what he called the "mix-ups" and that we >>> would require more purification than Indians to get enlightened. And we >>> just sat there and took it! Reacting to his ethnocentric superiority rap >>> like a bunch of grinn'n skin heads at a "we hate everyone else" rally! > Exactly Curtis! Maharishi came from one of the most conservative traditions > in India. He would never teach us the Gayatri mantra, would he? Look, there > are lots of Indian gurus teaching westerners and women the Gayatri, Sai Baba > included. But for him its Veda, we aren't Brahmins, so it's a no no. And for > him everything is just about the veda, so what we are left with? By > definition, can't do the real thingie. There are many less orthodox movements > in India, the naths, the sufis, the tantrics, many of the bhakti movements. > > >> I recall when the Earl Kaplan letter came out and he mentioned that on >> his trip to India he found that enlightenment was not that uncommon and >> not so difficult to achieve. > Incidentaly, just recently I found a post of him in one of the mailboxes I > survey, he was looking for a friend, so I forwarded it. > >> After all it is just to experience of >> having pure consciousness co-exist throughout the day in your awareness >> along with activity. It is a conditioning of the nervous system. > To measure enlightenment is of course difficult. But, in rural areas, you do > find a lot of village (or town) saints, avadhutas. Maybe it was that what he > meant, among Hindus and Muslims. > > > One >> analogy which is accurate is the dying the cloth one (you'll find a lot >> of these kinds of analogies in various books such as the Puranas). > Interesting. Do you know in which Purana this analogy occurs, and also in > which exact context? > > > The >> nervous system finds pure consciousness pleasing and once experiencing >> it begins to rewire itself to have more and more of it. It's a natural >> process aided by the sadhana. >> >> Just as there are plenty of westerners just as good at computer >> engineering as Indians so are many westerners just as good at achieving >> enlightenment. > Exactly. > >
