Life can educate one to belief in God. And experiences too are what bring this about; but I don't mean visions and other forms of sense experience which show us the 'existence of this being', but e.g. sufferings of various sorts. These neither show us God in the way a sense impression shows us an object, nor do they give rise to conjectures about him. Experiences, thoughts,life can force this concept on us.
Wittgenstein --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@...> wrote: > > Hey Robin, > > Try to have some respect for what Ravi's going through. If you honestly care, > you'll realize things like this are best discussed off list. > > This isn't a public laundromat. > > > On Dec 12, 2011, at 9:59 PM, maskedzebra <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > Hey, Vaj: Would you consider telling me what your diagnosis is of Ravi > > Chivukula? Since you claim to have an explanation for his behaviour, how > > about doing me the courtesy of giving your interpretation of Ravi > > Chivukulaâ"simply to disprove my claim that no one at FFL has confidence > > that they have understood the causal basis of Ravi's Transgressive Mode > > (RTM). > > > > Since your whole thesis (at least in your previous post) is to contradict > > my contention that Ravi Chivukula defies any common sense understanding, I > > think it only fair that you disabuse me of my fixation, since my concern > > here (according to you) is entirely misplaced and ridiculous. > > > > I am begging you, Vaj: Robin wants to be able to fit Ravi Chivukula into > > his metaphysical paradigm: you can help me do this by telling me what Ravi > > Chivukula is all about. And what I want here, is what you promised me is > > the truth; namely, that you have a specific *experience* and understanding > > of what Ravi is up toâ"and why. Please just give me the broad outlines of > > your personal experience of Ravi Chivukula so that I can at least make > > contact with one person who 'gets' him. > > > > This will put a stop to this whole controversy. At least it will for me. > > > > Tell us now, Vaj: what gives with the Ravi boy? And please, use some of > > your powers of persuasion which draw upon your real experience. Don't make > > it up. Because we will know the difference. > > > > All what you say below has nothing to do with the issue:either of Ravi > > Chivukula, or myself. > > > > So, you do not intend to climb that mountain, then, Vaj? > > > > Believe me, the view is much better from up here. > > > > Your pal, > > > > Robin >
