Hi Judy, thanks as always for your candor and groundedness. I agree Robin is the ultimate experiencer of himself. He has made other references to life being completely out of his control while he was undergoing this Unity. And if Unity it was, that fits the model too, in that CC, GC, UC all must be transcended. I think Robin instinctively knew that. And if he didn't, the cosmic forces he watched run the show for awhile, did.
The more basic point is that once awake, it is impossible to go back to sleep. It is a one way valve once awakening occurs (primed from a lifetime of devotion). So although I can accept that Robin's identification with the language and experience of his former state of consciousness, is gone, he has not gone back to sleep or lost his enlightenment. It is just no longer necessary to acknowledge such a thing for him. PS Robin, thanks in advance for allowing me to speak for you.:-) --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@...> wrote: > > Jim, this is a very lovely description of your experience; > many thanks. > > Whether it has anything to do with Robin's comment about > witnessing, or the accuracy of his assertion that he was > in Unity, I couldn't say, obviously; he'd have to address > that himself. > > I think I found the post in which he made the remark you > cite--where he says he was a "pure witness to all that > was happening around me." I think it's *conceivable* that > you may be overinterpreting it as a very specific technical > description of his experience, using Maharishi's term, when > he was actually referring to something broader and more > general about his relationship to the drama taking place > with regard to his cult and the court cases and all. > > IOW, I'm not sure that remark is the smoking gun that > disproves his conviction that he was in Unity. > > I could very well be wrong; I just mention this as a > possibility. As I say, he'd have to address it himself. > > > > --- In [email protected], "futur.musik" <futur.musik@> wrote: > > > > Hi Judy, you wrote, "You do understand that Robin does not claim to be > > enlightened and is not seeking enlightenment, that he thinks it's a snare > > and a delusion, that he believes he was enlightened decades ago and has > > made a huge effort since then to "de-enlighten" himself." > > > > After reading a lot of what Robin writes about enlightenment and his > > experience being enlightened, he says he was witnessing the whole time. > > That stuck out when I read it. Enlightenment as it grows, and it always > > grows if it is real, eats up and integrates witnessing. > > > > There is a period following waking up or the stabilizing of Self > > Realization, where witnessing everything, seeing the frictionless flow of > > life and your silent place in it, dominates perception. Freedom! Absence of > > fear! A great influx of cosmic energy as the Atman or Soul becomes a > > permanent flame within and shines forth. > > > > If you want to stay there for awhile, then others can see your light and > > respond to it. I'll not go much further into Robin's experience but I think > > this is where he was during his leading of an alternative spiritual > > movement. It was 100% genuine regarding the Soul carrying out its function > > of expansion. > > > > As the Atman continues to shine forth, extending one's boundaries, making > > them less distinct, melding one's identity with that of the Cosmos, the > > unity between us and others and everything else in our experience becomes > > more obvious. As the soul continues to radiate outward from deeper and > > deeper within us, that cosmic energy we become permeates everything. > > Everything. > > > > At that point, the lights seem to go out! Holy shit, what happened? The > > light we (the personal and Impersonal self) are radiating becomes so > > pervasive, inside and out, that life is at once transformed, becoming > > progressively more interesting, captivating and beautiful, while remaining > > exactly as it was before. So we no longer see the contrast between the > > light that we are, and the light now everywhere else. > > > > We are no longer witnessing, or perhaps the witness has come out to play. > > There is no longer the longing for *peak* experiences that we used to want, > > but instead, it is *all* very much better.:-) > > > > In order to witness, there has to be something distinct from something > > else. There has to be the unfettered ;-) bliss of the soul, the personal > > Being, distinct from everything else, and we are residing in Being, looking > > out as it were on everything else. People describe witnessing as being so > > free! so weightless almost, just in a big cloud of bliss, mind almost empty. > > > > It is an awesome feeling, but not a complete one. Even the witness has to > > be transcended in order to for enlightenment to continue, and continue it > > will. There is no way to put the soul back to sleep once it wakes up, and > > one Day of Enlightenment lasts a very, very, very long time! :-) > > >
