--- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltablues@...> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > You that mourn your follies past, > > Precious hours and years, and years laid waste, > > Turn within, O turn and live, > > The Unified Field can still, can still forgive. > > > > Sweet Redeeming from within, > > Born on wings, on wings of love. > > No this common sentiment among the religious and "spiritual" is all about > payback for those who don't buy in to their beliefs. > > It isn't enough that they go to heaven or get enlightened or whatever. The > people who don't think like them need to be judged for "wasting" their lives > which conform to their own standards and values that you don't share. > > I need no forgiveness. I resent the condescension that you assume that I do. > do you need forgiveness for not seeing life as I do? >
Bleeding hearts defiled by sin, The Unified Field can make you clean; Contrite souls with guilt oppressed, The Unified Field can give, can give you rest. Sweet Redeeming from within, Born on wings, on wings of love. > > > > > > > > > > I've a long time heard that there will be a judgment, > > > That there will be a judgment in that day. > > > O there will be a judgment in that day, > > > Om Sinner, where will you stand in that day? > > > > > > > > I've a long time heard that the sun will be darkened, > > > > That the sun will be darkened in that day. > > > > O the sun will be darkened in that day, > > > > Om sinner, where will you stand in that day? > > > > > > > > > > I've a long time heard that the earth will be burning, > > > > > That the earth will be burning in that day. > > > > > O the earth will be burning in that day, > > > > > Om sinner, where will you stand in that day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should find it extremely helpful having this resolution on sin > > > > > > as a FFL guideline, this resolution that sin would be that which > > > > > > weakens our expressed essence of soul perfection and degrades it > > > > > > into mortal enslavement. From that we can get appropriate public > > > > > > policy here about sin, sinning and sinners. > > > > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Om Sinner, where will you run?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am heartened that both Maharishi and the Maharaj should be > > > > > > > > > in alignment with the FFL sin resolution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This alignment of both Maharishi and the Maharaja might well > > > > > > > > bring along all our TB supporters as a caucus block here for > > > > > > > > the FFL resolution about sin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Xeno, I am in favor of 'sin' as it is delineated in the > > > > > > > > > > > > resolution, that is my experience and I see that > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramahansa Yogananda has it right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even Maharishi and the Maharaja are in alignment with > > > > > > > > > > Paramahansa Yogananda and the sin resolution, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note that God is run out as the resolution reads. Sit > > > > > > > > > > > > and meditate more on the soul and free-will with this. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I would urge you to not split over the soul > > > > > > > > > > > > and free-will but concur with the resolution on sin for > > > > > > > > > > > > what it is. Don't let theisms withhold your support on > > > > > > > > > > > > the sin resolution. > > > > > > > > > > > > As you may feel more in to this, I look to your support > > > > > > > > > > > > of the FFL resolution on sin. > > > > > > > > > > > > With Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > -Buck in FF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Xenophaneros > > > > > > > > > > > > Anartaxius" <anartaxius@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Buck, there is disagreement here on the following > > > > > > > > > > > > > terms. God, free-will, soul. Best of luck! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Praying is like a rocking chair - it'll give you > > > > > > > > > > > > > something to do, but it won't get you anywhere. - > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gypsy Rose Lee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, Gypsie Rose evidently never heard of transcending > > > > > > > > > > > meditations. Without spiritual experience what could we > > > > > > > > > > > expect? Of course a meditation when well done is its own > > > > > > > > > > > prayer that brings all and only more clearly the grace of > > > > > > > > > > > the science of Ved (Unified Field) in a physiology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus will I lift my hands in prayer! > > > > > > > > > > > -Buck in FF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear FFL Owner, Moderators and Members in good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > standing; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For a sake of a more unified discussion here on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FairfieldLife@yahoo I wish to make a motion that we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adopt a resolution of the definition of 'sin' as is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > proffered by Paramahansa Yogananda, "That here at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FFL hence forth 'sin' shall be known spiritually, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as that which compromises self-mastery. That sin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has its automatic negative effect to the degree of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the influence of delusion with in it -involving no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condemnation of an irate God. Man's free-will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actions simply harmonize and strengthen the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expressed essence of his soul perfection or weaken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and degrade it into mortal enslavement." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Buck in FF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet save a trembling sinner, Unified Field > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whose hope still hov'ring round Thy word > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would light on some sweet promise there, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some sure support of Nature against despair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My crimes, though great, cannot surpass > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The pow'r and glory of Thy grace; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great Unifying Field, Thy nature hath no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bound; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So let Thy pard'ning love be found. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show pity, O Unified Field, forgive; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let a repenting rebel live. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are not Thy mercies large and free? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May not a sinner trust in Thee?� > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" <anartaxius@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > O Integrity, there are no sins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Form or formless matters not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Presence always, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Especial location no necessity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " 'Sin' requires a complex definition. It is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a transgression against an arbitrary code of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > behavior decreed by a whimsical God. The Unified > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Field made human a spiritual being, a soul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > endowed with an individualization of its own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nature. It gives to the soul, evolved from its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own Self, the instruments of a body and a mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with which to perceive and interact with the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > objects of a manifested universe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If man lives in perfect harmony with the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > machinations of these principles, he remains a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual being in charge of his body and mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is that which compromises that perfect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self-mastery. It has its automatic negative > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effect to the degree of the influence of delusion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with in it -involving no condemnation of an irate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God. Man's free-will actions simply harmonize > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and strengthen the expressed essence of his soul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perfection or weaken and degrade it into mortal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enslavement." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Excerpt -Discourse 27 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Second Coming of Christ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Resurrection of Christ Within You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "O Unified Field, pardon me three sins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have in contemplation clothed in form > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thee who art formless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have described [in words] Thee who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > art ineffable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And in visiting temples I have ignored > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thy omnipresence." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "futur.musik" <futur.musik@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Judy, you wrote, "You do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand that Robin does not claim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be enlightened and is not seeking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enlightenment, that he thinks it's a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > snare and a delusion, that he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > believes he was enlightened decades > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ago and has made a huge effort since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then to "de-enlighten" himself." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After reading a lot of what Robin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > writes about enlightenment and his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience being enlightened, he says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he was witnessing the whole time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That stuck out when I read it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Enlightenment as it grows, and it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always grows if it is real, eats up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and integrates witnessing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a period following waking up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or the stabilizing of Self > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Realization, where witnessing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything, seeing the frictionless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flow of life and your silent place in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it, dominates perception. Freedom! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absence of fear! A great influx of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cosmic energy as the Atman or Soul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes a permanent flame within and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shines forth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want to stay there for awhile, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then others can see your light and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respond to it. I'll not go much > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further into Robin's experience but I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think this is where he was during his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leading of an alternative spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > movement. It was 100% genuine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding the Soul carrying out its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > function of expansion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As the Atman continues to shine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forth, extending one's boundaries, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making them less distinct, melding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's identity with that of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cosmos, the unity between us and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others and everything else in our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience becomes more obvious. As > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the soul continues to radiate outward > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from deeper and deeper within us, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that cosmic energy we become > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > permeates everything. Everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At that point, the lights seem to go > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out! Holy shit, what happened? The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > light we (the personal and Impersonal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self) are radiating becomes so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pervasive, inside and out, that life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is at once transformed, becoming > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > progressively more interesting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > captivating and beautiful, while > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remaining exactly as it was before. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So we no longer see the contrast > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between the light that we are, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the light now everywhere else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are no longer witnessing, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps the witness has come out to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > play. There is no longer the longing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for *peak* experiences that we used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to want, but instead, it is *all* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very much better.:-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In order to witness, there has to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something distinct from something > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > else. There has to be the unfettered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) bliss of the soul, the personal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Being, distinct from everything else, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and we are residing in Being, looking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out as it were on everything else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People describe witnessing as being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so free! so weightless almost, just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a big cloud of bliss, mind almost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > empty. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is an awesome feeling, but not a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > complete one. Even the witness has to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be transcended in order to for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enlightenment to continue, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > continue it will. There is no way to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put the soul back to sleep once it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wakes up, and one Day of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Enlightenment lasts a very, very, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very long time! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
