http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHKwBJnqJIc
--- In [email protected], "seventhray1" <steve.sundur@...> wrote: > > > Thanks, Curtis for bringing this into relief. Some of us, (me) might > have been too polite, or perhaps didn't care enough to press the issue > and point out the many inconsistencies and parcing that he is displaying > here and has displayed in the past. But I think the time has come for > Robin to take his first step, which is just a simple admission, and can > be done in a few sentences. > > What really stands out for me (or at least one of many things), is the > manner in which he would play out the same routine on you and others as > he did in his seminars - the identifying and rooting out of ones > deficiencies. I mean it's what we all do here to a certain extent, but > within a framework that everyone pretty much adheres to. Some of us > push harder, and some less, and some not at all, but we usually know > when to let up. > > Maybe it''s like the old actresses who had her time in the limelight and > then faded, but still holds on to those heydays, and brings them up to > anyone who might listen. > > I hope not. > > --- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > Since Vaj is being a pretty good sport about this I will speak up for > him and say that he wouldn't be out of line in doing a Snoopy's > I-told-you-so dance on this one. What Ann may not be aware of about the > dynamics of the place is that the Robin hitting people issue wasn't > really about Robin hitting people. It was being used as a tool by some > here to impeach Vaj's credibility. And it was Robin who, through a > convoluted process of reasoning I will get to below, was one of the > biggest enthusiasts of this POV, knowing all the while that he was > bullshitting us all. > > > > Here are a few problems I see in this whole deal. Vaj's perspective on > this has been misrepresented in Robin's mea culpa to allow for the > equivocation room that I suspect is not really flying even for those who > would rather die than admit that Vaj has been vindicated here. Since > I've endured pages of Robin's accusations that I am being subtly > deceptive on this board I'm gunna spell this out as I see it. > > > > Vaj said there was a video of Robin hitting someone. > > > > Robin said this video was impossible and watched as others piled on > Vaj to use this as an example of a lie he had been caught in. > > > > Robin encouraged this POV. > > > > Someone showed up who could corroborate the story. > > > > Before she could, Robin came clean. But still is attempting to evade > an owed apology to Vaj who he let hang out to dry, knowing full well > there was bullshittery in play. > > > > And I get it that the fans of the careful parsing will delight in the > distinction between when the hitting took place and that perhaps Robin > was technically not boldfaced lying in a Clintonesque "I never had sex > with that woman" but was at the very least involved in the statements > that followed that Monica was deranged. > > > > So why the slick Willy routine Robin? There is plenty of compassion > here for weird shit we all did in our past and this doesn't sound like > such a big deal. There were a whole bunch of weird psychological > "breakthrough" cults that seem to be far worse than what you were > running back then. If you weren't banging your disciples ten deep in > Elvis' Graceland white panty parties, you come off as better than most > people in your position of power over the entranced. > > > > So the last few months of Vaj battles seems kind of disingenuous. Vaj > was shooting, you were dancing, the music stopped so own it. It wasn't > such a big deal until you used it as a way to make Vaj look bad in what > I consider to be a disgusting campaign around here to make it look as if > Vaj was never a TM teacher, which you also piled on for. > > > > You did the guy wrong and aren't owning it. > > > > > > Now I'd like to get to the part that represents my biggest interest in > what you wrote. You seem to be playing two sides of a dangerous fence > here. On one hand you are calling your visions of demon infested people > a hallucination, but you don't seem to be renouncing the POV that there > really were Gods who made you enlightened. And I find your holding on to > the power of your previous enlightenment itself problematic because you > seem to be using the buy-in of your followers as proof that you really > were uniquely (compared to the the rest of us) in some powerful > enlightened state rather than being one of the millions who was > suffering from mental impairment. > > > > Here I tread lightly but earnestly. > > > > I don't believe this POV helps your recovery and I suspect if you are > under the care of any doctor they would agree. People have followed > others suffering from deranged mental states into actual "cut off their > heads" battle Robin. People bought into Mao. Lots of people. Millions of > people. Hundreds of millions of people. > > > > The statement that everyone in the room was experiencing the same > thing when you did in your "out damn spot" demon dances is a false proof > statement with no epistemological merit. Your group was functioning > under the conditions of a well known phenomenon and their reports are as > suspect as those of any eye witnesses but multiplied by a thousand > because you guys shared a common language to discuss experiences that > shape reporting to make it all fit better. There were big payoffs for > anyone who answered the cop's question: "was he the one who you saw > sneak behind the counter at Katz's Deli and remove half of one of their > piled mile high pastramis on rye, leading to Hazel Kurmuffle ending up > with a normal sized non Katz Deli style sandwich?" with a "yes master". > (or whatever it was that designated you as especially in the know > compared to them. (Maharishi assumed that title as his name and upped > Guru Dev's to His Divinity, named no doubt for that jello, whipped > cream, grape and marshmallow dessert popular in the 50's.) Sorry, I am > prone to food digressions... > > > > You and I have had our friendly connections here. I believe they > digressed into a diluted form of the interactions you described in your > "I did it but not exactly as he said I did and it was the vedic gods > after all" non-admission. From the beginning of our interactions I > objected to the sports metaphors for our discussions because it was not > a battle for me, it was a discussion of our different POVs and where we > draw our lines. But for you it seems to have been a dance of dominance. > One that ended our friendly discussions when you seemed compelled to > push my face in your perspective of my faults as if you were expelling > something impure in me. > > > > IMO you are still not coming clean with your fellow humans Robin. You > are trying to have it both ways. None of us is running the > > "truth" here,it just isn't one of our options. The battle is over. > Everyone should put their maces and lances and bows and arrows away and > go home to our families. I believe for you some of the pieces of that > puzzle will be found in former followers who I suspect will be more than > willing to give you a break, and whose own healing you could probably > facilitate if you were willing to get off the silk and join their > humanness. And there may be a biochemical reason why you will never > escape from what I call the "prison of specialness", but for your sake I > hope there is and that you find it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jan 21, 2012, at 10:09 PM, awoelflebater wrote: > > > > > > > Now I am not sure, because I don't have the will or the stamina to > go through the long list of posts dealing with the hitting issues, why > this is such a hot topic or by who(m?) it has been brought up (but I am > guessing perhaps Vaj) or even what the exact questions regarding hitting > are. > > > > > > > > > OK, let's put this to rest once and for all. > > > > > > There were several untrue rumors flitting around about Robin, most > facilitated by TM TB's: > > > > > > -he was dead > > > > > > -he committed suicide > > > > > > -he went "insane" > > > > > > -his schtick ended when he began beating students on stage. > > > > > > The only one that has some semblance of truth is the latter and then > only vaguely. All the people I knew involved in WTS stopped when a VHS > of Robin thumping his fists (not beating, not punching) on a student > circulated. It was the last straw for some "hangers-on". > > > > > >
