--- In [email protected], gerbal88 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], gerbal88 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I don't see a problem with a Master being a Master. > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand this statement in the context of the rest > > > > > > of your post, Jim, but have to disagree with it anyway. > > > > > > I think part of the whole *problem* you discuss below > > > > > > is inherent in the term "Master" itself. In the minds > > > > > > of *most* people who hear it, it implies *two* things, > > > > > > not one. The first, which could be considered admirable, > > > > > > is "mastery." The second, which I personally feel has > > > > > > no place in spirituality, is "the dominant position in > > > > > > a master-disciple or master-slave relationship." The > > > > > > latter I see as completely *counterproductive* to the > > > > > > realization of enlightenment. > > > > > > My take is that MMY or MCS felt he was THE master over others. I > > think > > > he really felt HE was everyone's boss, so to speak. > > > > > > I think he would have been quite content with "my way or the > > highway" > > > as his modus operandi. A true spiritual master shows you how to > be > > > your own master. I don't see MMY/MCS EVER dabbling in this sort > of > > > counterproductive thinking! > > > > > > G > > > > > > "A true spiritual master shows you how to be your own master". > > > > With all the craziness in the TMO over the past 20 years, I have > > concluded that the purpose of all the madness is just that: MMY > > wants us to be our own masters because to follow the silliness > > that's coming out of the TMO is completely irrational. So the only > > conclusion reasonable people must come up with is: ditch it all and > > follow your own heart. > > I think that that is the inadvertent result: people are doing their > own thing, which is not exactly the same as having the guidance of a > true spiritual teacher.
I agree, and perhaps in an ideal world having a direct personal relationship with an enlightened spiritual master is the best. But, of course, as MMY pointed out back in '73, in a world with 3.6 billion people that is not possible if we want to bring enlightenment to the masses. And that is why, of course, he "multiplied" himself into so many thousands of TM teachers and why we had a constant series of world plans and grand schemes. But as we all know, the world plans and grand schemes for whatever reasons -- and we can debate those reasons for years on end -- didn't work out. So being on one's own -- along with this great technique of TM -- isn't the best but under the circumstances is pretty damn good. And having to rely on some Master-on-a-video-tape just hasn't and isn't working out is what, I believe, MMY has concluded. And what better way to bring that message to the masses than to have them realize is on their own...'cause if he were to tell that to TMers directly, well, then, that would be defeating the whole purpose because that would be "followers" listening to and obeying "a master". So letting us realize this on our own is the best teaching a teacher can give...and he is giving us that message so unambiguously by presenting a TMO and a guru that is so out of whack with both reality AND, especially, the teachings of TM that there is ONLY one rational and reasonable conclusion that rational and reasonable people can come to: reject the silliness and follow your own heart. > > My own feeling is that MMY/MCS had a great idea for making > himself "an important person" (as one sometimes heard the Indian > people speak). People were interested, but, ultimately, MMY/MCS felt > he had failed. Then the Beatles made him famous (I imagine he dearly > wished it had been the other way around; it probably didn't do his > ego any good at all). > > So, he bounced back, with a vengence, making hoards of teachers and > then selling these teachers a real bill of goods. Then he opened up > the market. Very clever, but when I see "spirituality" for sale very, > very red flags go a'flappin'. > > He probably felt he was, now, "an important person", although in > Western eyes, he was, like the fab four said: the fool on the hill. > > In the sense of being poly-spiritual, he taught something of > interest. But being his devoted lap dog, as some seem to be, just > isn't my thing; I wonder about the mentality for which it is, > actually. Mono-spirituality sometimes has the tendency to produce our > most horrible nightmares. > > I cannot remember him saying this, but I am told that he did: if your > guru isn't giving you what you want, get a different guru. > > G ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
