--- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> --- In [email protected], "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" 
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> > wrote:
> > > --- In [email protected], "Rory Goff" 
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> > > wrote:
> > > > --- In [email protected], "Rory Goff" 
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> > > > wrote:
> > > > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" 
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> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Rory Goff" 
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> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" 
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> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Rory Goff" 
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> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB 
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> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Ah, but if God is well read, and has delved into 
> the
> > > > > > > > > > Heisenberg Principle, He'd know that to observe 
is 
> to
> > > > > > > > > > influence, so out of fairness He wouldn't be 
> > > > watching.  :-)
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Ah, but if S/H/We weren't watching, nothing would 
> > > happen :-
> > > > )
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > How do you know...
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Because when there is no watcher/watchee, nothing 
> > happens :-)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > But how would you know?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Self-evident ...
> > > > 
> > > > Stepping outside the three gunas -- so that Self (observer) 
> and 
> > > All-
> > > > that-is are (observed) not different -- is analogous to 
> looking 
> > at 
> > > > the torus from outside, and seeing Vishnu coalesce from the 
> > outer 
> > > > shell into the base of the inner double-cone (as Sattva); 
> Brahma 
> > > > rotate as the singularity at the center of the double-cone 
(as 
> > > > Rajas); and Shiva disperse at the top of the double-cone 
> > outwards 
> > > > into the outer shell (as Tamas) -- and yet, because one is 
no 
> > > longer 
> > > > involved in the 
> > > > movie(s) within this Brahman-torus, nothing actually 
happens; 
> > the 
> > > > whole thing is in stasis. 
> > > > 
> > > > This might be akin to the Work of Byron Katie, wherein when 
we 
> > > > inquire into the stories of our suffering, we may realize 
that 
> > we 
> > > > have been projecting all of it -- resolving it back into the 
> > > radiant 
> > > > clarity and loving fullness of our own emptiful not-
> happening  :-
> > )
> > > 
> > > So why does Vishnu blend with Brahma, and Brahma blend with 
> Shiva, 
> > > but Shiva and Vishnu are absolutely distinct from one another? 
> > 
> > Great question! I used to ask this about Sattva and Tamas, which 
> > were always held to be total opposites and unmixable. I never 
> really 
> > got this until seeing their polar functions in the Torus -- and 
> > understanding them as analogous to magnetic poles does help. 
Even 
> if 
> > we see Sattva in its conventional sense as Light and Tamas as 
> Dark, 
> > though, it really does make sense. However, it's interesting 
that 
> > Siva/Tamas/the Black Hole is (from the point of view outside the 
> > Torus anyhow) actually dispersing outward, rather than spiraling 
> > inward, and Vishnu/Sattva/the White Hole is spiraling inward, 
> rather 
> > than dispersing outward...
> 
> Yes, perfect sense! And paradoxical with regard to the 'story' I 
> always wanted to tell myself, and even my cognition of Vishnu's 
> vibration recently as very sattvic, but I digress...
> >  
> > > In other words, what does that transition on the outside of 
the 
> > > torus, between the ultimate decay of Shiva, and the growing 
> > > pregnancy of Vishnu look like or represent? it appears to be a 
> gap 
> > > of undifferentiated potential; Absolute stillness. No gunas.
> > > 
> > > Or is there something there?
> > 
> > FWIW I see a golden ring occupying that gap, with spokes to that 
> > ring emanating from the singularity/Brahma-point :-)
> 
> Oh right! I remember now you mentioning this awhile back, before I 
> was able to see it. Now it makes perfect sense that the golden 
ring 
> would be there. Nothing else quite fits, does it? Ah, so not quite 
a 
> gap, which given Vishnu and Shiva didn't quite resolve the 
> vibrational qualities of each...though the golden ring with spokes 
> to Brahma does! Hmmm, thank you again!

Yes, it would appear to correlate to that golden quality of No-
space, No-time identity with the "Solar Angel" which one might take 
to be Brahma -- incidentally, Bentov also spoke of this fusion with 
one's Solar Angel on that same Sidhis-prep course, perhaps a year or 
so before I came across the phenomenon:-)




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