Tom, Thanks for your note.
Regarding intentional yagyas, are you referring to the lefthand pull-down window on the order form on their website? With the planetery ones being on the right side. Their "input" refusing to do intentional vs planetary yagyas is not explicit in the realms of the website I have read. Am I missing something? They do "offer" complimentary recommendations, based on a jyotish chart. Is this really a requirement -- where they make their assessments? (I think this is a good thing -- its just not obvious from their site.) I am impressed that they state that if you don't know what you are really asking for, don't "order" it. They don't seem to be trying to "increase volume", but rather appear to be sincerely providing a "charitable" service. You stated in a recent post that they pay their pundits $1.35 / or something like that. How did you derive that figure? How many pundits do they typically use in each yagya? Can "multiples" be requested? Nine pundits instead of 3 for example? (or what ever the appropriate multiples are). Same with repetitions of the ceremony? For example, 3 days instead of 1 day? --- In [email protected], "Tom Pall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Akasha, > > Ben and I have very different views on your i) and ii), below. I believe the effects are diluted. Placing other people on the sponsorship list often without the knowledge of the sponsor of the yagya (which was the case during the maha sponsor days) somehow just doesn't seem righteous to me. Which is why I have signed up for the individual yagyas of Yagna by Choice. There are many things I found with other yagya groups that didn't seem right to me. One of them was why I had so many intentional yagyas done and got no result but suddenly now I'm starting to get the result. YBC refuses to accept intentional yagya requests unless and until sufficient planetary yagyas have been performed to clear away the clouds in the way. They also refuse to accept intentional yagya requests during those times in which the planets are in opposition to what you're requesting. Many of the things I've suspected to be true from observation and deduction or just from what bubbles up from within they state outright. > > Yes, the cynical will say that YBC's concept of the Turning Point, the point at which you stop doing redemption and start working on prevention and augmentation is just a way of making so much money. I will reply back that no one had a problem accepting my money for intentional yagyas then telling me afterwards that the god or goddess gives us what they want to give us when they want to give it to us. > > BTW, I am in no way attempting to attack any person or group. I've gone through a progression and have prayed all along. One of the things I prayed for was something better /for me/ to come along. I feel that this is what's better /for me/. YMMV. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: akasha_108 > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 12:08 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna by Choice > > > --- In [email protected], "Tom Pall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I found the question about how does the yagya know where to find you > > based on name and perhaps birth star and gotri laughable. > > Akasha: > > Laughter is good. Mystery is good. Faith is good. Understanding can > also be good. > > > ------------------------- > > > Tom, I understand your point about prayer. As I said in my original > post, I am satisfied with the mechanics of karma -- as mysterious as > that is -- to explain cause and "correct addressability of" effect > of yagyas. > > That said, I just note that there are some loose ends in the "theory" > of yagya effects. As noted, in an adjacent post, I have done some > yagyas, regardless of having such theoretical issue answered. > > As you state, prayer is a good model. But then why is the reciting of > the sponsorship name (and sometimes nakshatra and picture) at the > beginning of the yagya? It would seem redundant. So maybe it is > redundant, and it poses just a head fake for the curious like me to > note that if name and nakshatra ARE necessary, they seem incomplete. > If they are rendundant, and its just karma mechanics or prayer > "mechanics" that link sponsorship with effect, then that makes sense: > then the addressability incompleteness of name and nakshatra is > inconsequential. > > My questions, in the prior post, are diven by some observations beyond > your case of one individual sponsoring a yagya in the spirit of > prayer. My observations include: group "sponsored" yagyas where: > > i) individual cost shares are allocated to participating individuals, > but then some (same cost) shares are then allocated to a large group > of family and friends. Does everyone get the same effect? > > ii) some people are added to the group sponsorship list, "for free". > Do they get the same effect as those who pay? > > These cases seem to imply that IF you are on THE list, you will get > the effect, regardless of any payment, level of payment, or even > knowledge that you are on the list (as in some family members put on > the list unbeknownst to them." And that if you are NOT on the magic > list recited at the beginning ofthe yagya, there is no effect for you. > Its these types of obsrvations and implied mechanics that make me > wonder about the addressability of "name". All these cases are not as > simple as your "prayer" model. > > Regardless, these are intersting questions for me, perhaps not to you. > To each his own. And for me, they are more a curiousity, they don't > prevent my participation in yagyas. > > More broadly, as noted in the adjacent post, I tend towards offering > the yagya as just that -- an offerring. Not looking for tit-for-tat > effects. Not even asking anything, such as in prayer. Just an > offering. Then the whole question of "addressability" becomes mute. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
