--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <LEnglish5@...> wrote: > > Still doesn't answer my question. Although, given the alleged ends, what > means are or are not justified? > > My answer: I don't know.
You know enough about it to know that they collected money for something they knew wasn't going to happen and that was the one instance I know of from my short time in the TMO. It's immoral and illegal, what sort of spiritual movement would countenance it? What sort of better world do you build based on values like that? > > Within acceptable limits: talking about getting an extremely wealthy > potential donor to donate oodles of money to further the progress towards > world peace. And between the two is what we are actually talking about and what happens, seen with mine own eyes. > Well outside acceptable limits: letting someone work themselves to death on > said project. > > > L > > --- In [email protected], "salyavin808" <fintlewoodlewix@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "mjackson74" <mjackson74@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Ha! That's true - I stopped actively participating in the Movement > > > > after a 2 year stint working on staff at MIU (wonder if there are any > > > > statistics for how many people quit the Movement after a staff > > > > experience at a Movement facility) > > > > > > > > So I wasn't totally aware of all the projects - oddly enough when I was > > > > still a Movement junky the very first time I had an odd feeling about > > > > it all was during the Taste of Utopia course in '83-'84 when Maharishi > > > > asked for some large amount of cash for some project. I remember > > > > feeling "Didn't he just ask for a bunch of money for some other project > > > > a year or so ago?" > > > > > > > > Writing this reminds me of a staff meeting we had with Bevan when he > > > > had just come back from Europe with M and was talking in glowing terms > > > > about some guy they had heard of who was loaded, as Bevan said > > > > > > > > "He is as rich as Croesus. And these are the kinds of people we need to > > > > get meditating. Because if he starts doing TM, he can give us his money > > > > and we can use his money to further the cause of bringing the world to > > > > enlightenment." > > > > > > > > I remember thinking what about his personal enlightenment? What about > > > > the benefits to the rich guy? You only want him for his money?" > > > > > > > > but as I was not yet ready to leave MIU I kept that though to myself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, what ABOUT his personal enlightenment? > > > > > > IF group meditation has the effect on the individual and the world that > > > is claimed for it, the most benefit anyone could ever get for themselves > > > AND the rest of the world would be by sponsoring group meditation in > > > sufficiently mass quantities to bring about world peace. As an added > > > bonus, they could participate in the group themselves. > > > > > > Can you even *conceive of* something that someone could do for themselves > > > that would lead to greater long-term benefit for themselves, assuming the > > > ME exists as advertised? > > > > > > > > > i certainly can't. Mind you, I don't know that the Maharishi Effect > > > exists or not, but if you genuinely believe that it does, what other > > > attitude is legitimate to take, when dealing with a wealthy potential > > > donor? > > > > The ends justify the means eh? Even if that means conning money > > out of people for things that aren't going to happen. Part of > > me thinks that if god didn't want them sheared he wouldn't have > > made them sheep but there is a much bigger part that has respect > > for people and couldn't ever see them as dumb cash cows to be > > wooed with empty meaningless promises like "you get back twice > > what you give". Folie a deux, if you wish. > > > > > > > L > > > > > >
