And Xeno baby - I have never claimed humility, I'm no Dalai Lama who masquerades as humble to beguile, bewitch the naive, gullible Westerners, for their money, for their support.
However I have explained myself as thus - "my supreme arrogance yet genuine humility" - in fact I feel my humility is merely a product of my arrogance. You most likely don't have kids - but think like a parent. A parent is both arrogant and genuinely humble towards his children, because the children are but his/her creation, you can never, ever take away the sense of ownership, the subjective sense of ownership, the parent feels towards his kids. Once someone, in reference to my mystical exploits, asked how I feel - I said - I feel like I own your ass. I was born arrogant, my mother, my siblings, only served to reinforce this arrogance, but the existence punished me, rightly so, and I was humiliated, harassed, hounded to learn humility, to respect authority, to learn the rules of the game, to work within them. I'm forever mobile, free, soaring. I'm no slave to anyone, unlike your darling Dolly Lama. Love, Ravi On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Ravi Chivukula <chivukula.r...@gmail.com>wrote: > Now, I like this Xeno !!!!! > > Now you are finally starting to show some heart..keep at it !!! > > Perhaps one day I will indulge in intellectual discussions with you, not > right now because you already burdened by your muddled, muddied, > meanderings - like Robin says, first be true to your first person ontology, > let the reality in baby. > > Love, > Ravi. > > > On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius < > anartax...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula <chivukula.ravi@...> >> wrote: >> > >> > Oh my cold, heartless Xeno, >> > >> > It's unfortunate that you can't see how utterly immobilized you are by >> your >> > mental constructs, by your beliefs - indeed this is why Robin cleans >> your >> > clock every single time, albeit in his own way, gently, persistently >> > reminding of how far your mental constructs, beliefs keep you away from >> > reality, you are a sitting duck - I feel pity for you petty, vain minds >> > suffering from incorrigible, contagious form of IED (Intellectual >> > Enlightenment Disorder). >> >> Your humility, Ravi, is overpowering. >> >> >> > Look at this interaction I had with a one Dr. Conway on Ammachi free >> speech >> > list, as soon as I read him, I chuckled - I realized this was another >> case >> > of IED that's been a scourge of this nation - and that he should be a >> piece >> > of cake for me to handle, like Xeno >> > >> > I baited him - >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zone/message/7341 >> > >> > He feel hook, line and sinker - >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zone/message/7342 >> > >> > I decimated him (last few paras) - >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zone/message/7368 >> > >> > Poor bastard - I haven't heard back from him - probably retreated to the >> > safety and solace of his neo-advaita brethren. >> > >> > As it stands now Robin & I have disagreements on what Enlightenment is >> and >> > I will not allow sickly, delirious patients of IED such as yourself to >> > muddy the waters here. >> >> This is a nice, clear statement. What do you feel the points are upon >> which you disagree with Robin? And, if I muddy the waters here, as long as >> Rick and Alex let me be on this forum, I could muddy the waters as much as >> desired. But being cold and heartless, how much do you think I could really >> stir up? >> >> > >> > I'll come hard at you Xeno - every single time, at my fancy, at my >> pleasure. >> > >> > Because unlike your mental constructs such as this gem here - "I do find >> > Ravi particularly annoying, but I have the choice (in free-will terms) >> to >> > ignore him" ( >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/301358) - >> > I don't live in my head. >> >> As for the 'gem' above, that was written shortly before you were outed >> from here, and I did experience annoyance at your antics. The statement >> about free will was not entirely serious as I do not really believe in free >> will; I used the words because that is how I think most people experience >> choice, that is why the comment was in parentheses. >> >> Stating that you do not live in your head and are minus mental constructs >> does not meant that is true, I firmly hold that it is not possible to >> express yourself in language without mental concepts. You used the concept >> 'I' several times. You listed many of your accomplishments in decimating >> others' arguments; >> >> *I baited him. >> *he fell hook, line, and sinker >> *I decimated him >> >> Simple verbal abuse is not independent of concepts, and it does not >> require much intelligence either, you are being lazy. Maybe your work >> requires a lot of mental energy, and when you come here, it is easier not >> to think but to mindlessly emote. Seven months in the offline FFL cooler >> has not reduced your temperature much. But as you come back, you must like >> it here. Welcome. >> >> Mental constructs are a partial value of experience, they have a certain >> place. Experience has a more unbounded aspect, a more silent aspect. Even >> emotions are similar to mental constructs, they are more primitive and less >> focused than the intellect. They are also necessary for the experience of >> fulfillment; the intellect however well developed, cannot substitute for >> basic feeling. >> >> X >> >> I love you baby. >> > >> > Ravi. >> > >> > >> > On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:42 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius < >> > anartaxius@...> wrote: >> > >> >> ** >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula <chivukula.ravi@> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> OMG, what a bunch of clueless, vain, petty fools - Bhairitu & Xeno, >> dear >> >> Judy, I bow down to your patience in dealing with these petty mind, >> utterly >> >> threatened by Robin's brilliance. St. Share or St. Judy - oh no what a >> >> dilemma? >> >> >> >> Hi Ravi. Long time no see. I am not threatened by Robin's brilliance. I >> >> was speaking of my general impression of him, not attempting to refute >> what >> >> he says. >> >> >> >> >> >>> Having said I did find dumbaz's gags very funny, laughing loud reading >> >> another one his posts, the one Share responded to, while waiting for my >> >> dinner order here at a restaurant. That these morons are so stuck in >> their >> >> heads is really sad - they could have just had fun, come with witty >> >> responses, retorts but all we have is their repugnant prejudices >> exposed in >> >> such a pathetic fashion. >> >>> >> >>> It always baffles me when I see people taking Xeno's mental constructs >> >> so seriously and I know I have always been curious on how he interacts >> with >> >> normal people in his daily life, I have asked him before and all I got >> was >> >> more mental constructs. >> >> >> >> Nothing of what I say is really true, and indeed when I say anything >> it is >> >> presented as a mental construct. There is no way to speak without a >> mental >> >> constuct. Saying 'there is no way to speak without a mental construct' >> is a >> >> mental construct. And there is no daily life interaction on FFL, no >> >> interaction with normal people, there is only the symbolic structure of >> >> language rolling back and forth, so all I get from you, from, Judy, >> from >> >> Barry, etc., are mental constructs. Then one has to make something of >> those >> >> with what one has, and reply using one's own particular mental >> construct. >> >> >> >> You operate from the level of your gut perhaps more than anyone here. >> I do >> >> operate that way sometimes, but it is much more subdued especially >> compared >> >> to you, if I interpret the text you write here. It was perhaps that >> >> over-emotional style of yours that gets you booted off here at times. >> The >> >> human mind creates a world, and the separate worlds of human >> interaction do >> >> not line up in neat coherent rows. As I am like a separate alien >> universe >> >> to you, so you are to me, when comparing our mental styles. Our >> emotional >> >> palettes are vastly different. >> >> >> >> Azgrey's post(s) were rather interesting assaults on Robin. I felt the >> >> general tenor of the content somewhat appropriate, considering some of >> the >> >> other posts in a similar vein that were more direct, and based on those >> >> persons' having known Robin. Robin has the intellectual kutzpah to deal >> >> with that post. Judy was correct in that I cannot quite fathom Robin, >> but I >> >> am not sure she does either. I feel Judy is always down in the >> trenches, >> >> logically precise, but does not see the general sweep of the battle. I >> used >> >> to think in ways a lot like Judy. I was, and still am probably in a >> >> different way, insufferable. Judy does it with a scope and precision I >> >> could never have mustered. It takes too much energy. >> >> >> >> And how I interact with normal people in my daily life, well, that is a >> >> deep deep secret of the universe, hidden from the eyes of dear dear >> Ravi. >> >> >> >>> Love, >> >>> Ravi >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >
