--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" <anartaxius@...> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <authfriend@> wrote: > > > > Let's try to straighten out the mess that Xeno and > > Barry have made of the past history here. Xeno at > > least has gone to the trouble of reading some of the > > posts in question, although he's still in some > > confusion; Barry doesn't care whether he gets things > > right as long as the details he presents conform to > > the story *he* wants to tell, so he never bothers to > > check his facts, he just makes it up as he goes along. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > > > <anartaxius@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Ann's first post was on January 15, 2012 #301897. > > > > > She was responding to a post by Robin wherein he was > > > > > responding to Vaj. She said she was present at the time > > > > > Vaj said he was with Robin and disputed Vaj's claim. > > > > > > Which, it should be pointed out, Robin shortly > > > thereafter admitted to be true. He did, in fact, > > > physically strike his students, although he > > > still claimed it was a gentle push. > > > > Ann did not dispute Vaj's claim that Robin had struck > > his students in her first post. All she said--addressing > > the group, not Robin specifically, until a brief comment > > at the end--was that she had found her experience with > > Robin's group very valuable. > > > > What Robin acknowledged about a week later was that in > > the early days of his group, well before he ever started > > giving seminars, he had on rare occasions, at informal > > gatherings in their private residence, struck a few of > > his followers in the course of confrontations. He > > described these incidents as similar to what a Zen master > > would do. Nobody was physically harmed. That was in this > > post: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/302421 > > > > Robin never said anything about a "gentle push." Barry > > made that up. > > > > Robin made this post because of how seriously Vaj and > > Barry had been distorting Robin's past history (which > > they continue to do). > > > > > He then switched to claiming that Vaj had never > > > been present at any of his talks, and thus was > > > (wait for it...you've never heard this before) > > > a LIAR. > > > > No, Robin didn't "switch to claiming" this. He'd > > disputed that Vaj had ever been around Robin's group > > from the beginning. > > > > > Which has again subsequently been disproved, > > > > No, it has not been "disproved." A counterclaim has > > been made--by a person who, like Vaj, bears Robin > > great ill will--but no proof has been offered. > > > > And remember that Ann, who was in the thick of things > > when Vaj claimed to have been there, doesn't remember > > him either. > > > > by > > > someone who confirmed that not only was Vaj present, > > > but that one of the people Robin struck said that "he > > > thought his jaw might have been broken by the force > > > of the blow." > > > > Robin hasn't addressed this claim. Ann described the > > incident in question in post #302425. As far as she > > knew--and she was one of two camera operators videotaping > > all the seminars--this was the only such incident. > > > > Ann made this post only a few minutes after Robin had > > made the post described above, not yet having read > > Robin's post. (She had not been at the early gatherings > > Robin described in any case; she didn't join the group > > until Robin was holding forth at MIU.) > > > > Robin made his last post to FFL the next day, having > > encountered some incredibly offensive and vicious > > fallout--from Curtis in particular--from his attempt to > > give an honest account of how he'd conducted himself > > 30-some years ago, sparing himself no blame. > > > > > > I must have seen this post, but had no exact recollection > > > > of it. The post you mentioned, I never had read. I have > > > > read it now. Ann was responding to Susan, who was > > > > apologising, as Susan thought Ann had come onto FFL at > > > > Robin's instigation, > > > > A number of people who did not wish Robin well were > > indulging in that speculation. > > > > > > which Ann denied, but Ann certainly > > > > seemed to come on to FFL as a result of Robin's now > > > > posting on FFL. This is what I remembered, rather > > > > imperfectly. However in this post you dug up Ann does > > > > say she had no agenda. > > > > No, there's no "but" here, no "seemed," and no "however." > > > > Ann said explicitly that she had come to FFL as a result > > of seeing Robin's posts; and she did so on her own hook, > > having had no communication with Robin for over 25 years. > > This is all as clear as crystal from what Ann has told us. > > > > Now, Xeno, if you want to accuse Ann of lying, have the > > guts to do it straight out, to her face. Stop with the > > little hints and insinuations and attempts to muddy > > what Ann has said. > > I had other things on my mind, I had no thought that Ann was lying, it never > crossed my mind. I still do not think Vaj made a case that he was with Robin > at any time. I was not thinking of this exchange about Vaj's presence or > absence, only that there was an obvious connexion between Ann and Robin, and > *that* past history was a motivation for her to come online here. I think you > cleared up that issue pretty well. > > Back off, you are reading too much into my intent, which is far less than you > seem to imply. I have no ill thoughts toward Ann at all. I have no negative > impressions of her. I have not read enough of her posts to have an informed > opinion of her, and you pretty well made that evident. Your mind seems > programmed to make out hints where none exist. On the plus side, your finding > errors in my recollection and fixing them does not bother me. You have been > battling with Barry for almost two decades, and you need to get out of this > witch hunt habit of calling everyone who makes factual errors a liar, or even > with those who disagree with you also. It makes your credibility suspicious > when it goes overboard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_4FbS4mT5E http://tinyurl.com/8w3tl2q > If you still have a gripe you can take it up with my lawyers at Sucme & Dye > LLP > > > > It is also worth pointing out that, now that Vaj's > > > credibility as someone who was actually there has > > > been verified by someone else who was there, Ann > > > has been in touch via email with many other people > > > from the former hierarchy of Robin's cult whom Vaj > > > might have known in the past, revealing how to get > > > in touch with him. They have now been hounding him > > > trying to get him to talk on the telephone with them. > > > As Vaj commented to me, "Thanks, Ann...not." > > > > And this, we now find out from Ann, is a lie--whether > > Vaj's or Barry's, we can't be sure. > > > > The bottom line is that the few people here who have > > a beef against Robin, for whatever reason, are not to > > be trusted, whether because they have no compunctions > > about lying or because they have trouble keeping > > things straight in their minds. > > >
