--- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltablues@...> wrote: > > Between the title and the chosen screen name I certainly > can't fault you for incomplete disclosure.
I've missed you, Curtis. People's standards around here have sunk so low that they actually think Ravi and Ann and Raunchy know how to craft a good zinger. Amateurs, the whole lot of them. :-) > --- In [email protected], doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Someone once said that if a person is not serious about a spiritual > > journey, better they do not start at all. Several people here seem to have > > gotten in over their heads. I'll explain what I mean. > > > > Almost any skill is learned, by absorbing it, and practicing it, for > > proficiency. Fly a plane, drive a car, play music, read a book, become an > > architect, etc. The relationship of learner to object changes, only as > > knowledge of the object deepens. There is an assumed 'I', in order to make > > learning possible. > > > > The goal of the spiritual journey is to burn down any previous identity, > > and transcend completely, in order to make genuine discoveries. Only then > > do we begin to see the world as it is, watching its glorious and unending > > unfolding. > > > > But, it means confronting deep stories, beliefs, and the emotions, > > primarily fear, that drive them. Typically, the journey begins with > > following somebody, Buddha, Jesus (vs. Christ), Mohammed, Shiva, etc., > > within the context of previous followers; go to a Buddhist temple, read the > > bible, start a meditation program. > > > > Often times, what these followers will do, is substitute the issues of > > their life, for the glory and promise they feel as new followers of > > whatever vehicle they have chosen for their spiritual journey. In other > > words, the previous dream is replaced, or enhanced, by the current dream, > > the second dream. > > > > For many of us, the initial transcending brought about by the TM technique, > > seems, and seemed, like a better dream. Get all cozy with Vedic > > Knowledge-lite, sit in front of a guru, put on the trappings of the > > organization pushing the technique, and dream, dream, dream on. > > > > Inevitably, if a person continues the spiritual journey, they are faced > > with the extinction of the path and the organization that brought them this > > far. This will mean they cannot return to the dream that set then on their > > path, nor can they continue refuge in a religion or spiritual organization. > > > > They are on their own. HOLY SHIT! > > > > Losing one's contextual identity can be a scary thing. Cutting oneself out > > like a paper doll, to stand alone, then reducing that to ashes, terrifies > > most people more than physical death does. The response for many is to > > retreat into the ego, and ideas and theories and beliefs, escaping into yet > > a third dream. > > > > Like Curtis here, on the illusory basis of their ego-bound selves, they are > > endlessly questioning and challenging these things they exposed themselves > > to during that initial spiritual discovery - Maharishi was this and that, > > blah, blah, blah, often simply spouting palaver to salve their foolish ways > > during their rush to forget themselves at the feet of some teacher or > > other. They earnestly reject the second dream, for the third; that of > > "earnest confusion". > > > > Its a good place to be these days, "earnestly confused". People appreciate > > and respect this type of false searching, this questioning that never turns > > inward, this dream of false discovery. > > > > It makes us appear genuine and heartfelt to others - a nice guy, a sweet > > woman. Sadly it is neither. So, these terrified fools (sorry but calling it > > as I see it) retreat into books, theories and thoughts that leave them > > hopelessly caught in a vise, between whatever dream they falsely followed, > > and their deep terror of complete dissolution. > > > > However, they have learned enough of their rejected path to have gained > > some insight. This makes them appear "wise", and "knowledgeable" and > > "widely read". The reality is that they are not a whole lot further along > > in their spiritual path as when they started. > > > > Want to know how to see this type of person? They are tied to their past > > formal path of spiritual discovery. Even though they are convinced they > > have rejected it, and seen the truth of it for themselves, the confusion > > around their previous path follows them around like a shadow. Sensing this > > shadow, they are constantly denigrating it, often by attacking those they > > perceive as accepting the same spiritual path in a less critical manner. > > > > This is all the "earnestly confused" have - this one insight that the > > spiritual organization they got into bed with, was simply another dream! > > They rail at it, and try to wake up others to this fact. They accomplished > > something! They saw through the tmo dream! AND IT IS IMPERATIVE that they > > convince others of this. > > > > However, since they are stunted on their way to spiritual freedom, and by > > definition, continuing to dream themselves, they have nothing to offer > > those who they are trying to wake up; the blinders leading the blind. > > > > And others smell this on them. These "third dreamers" become like > > politicians, telling others the endless errors of their ways, but offering > > nothing in return. So, unfortunately, they become lost between attempting > > to convert others to their one insight, yet not recognizing that the > > resistance they often encounter is not in response to their ideas, but a > > direct response to their inauthentic vibes, the "earnest confusion", the > > silent message they send of trying to change the beliefs of others purely > > to make their third dream of "earnest confusion", a perfect dream for > > themselves. > > > > The last person any of us are going to listen to, or take seriously is > > someone who goes after any organization, political, economic or spiritual, > > and clearly has no self knowledge. It Just Don't Smell Right. > > >
