--- In [email protected], doctordumbass@... <no_reply@...> wrote: > > You think THAT is a "good zinger"? OK, Barry, and eating > out of one's toilet bowl is a Michelin four star meal... > Whatever YOU say, Dream Boy.
For those newcomers who don't know, this self-named dumbass has proclaimed himself to be enlightened. Yeah, right. Just like Ravi and Robin. Yet another reason why no one should be interested in the TM version of "enlightenment." :-) > --- In [email protected], turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > Between the title and the chosen screen name I certainly > > > can't fault you for incomplete disclosure. > > > > I've missed you, Curtis. People's standards around here > > have sunk so low that they actually think Ravi and Ann > > and Raunchy know how to craft a good zinger. Amateurs, > > the whole lot of them. :-) > > > > > --- In [email protected], doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Someone once said that if a person is not serious about a spiritual > > > > journey, better they do not start at all. Several people here seem to > > > > have gotten in over their heads. I'll explain what I mean. > > > > > > > > Almost any skill is learned, by absorbing it, and practicing it, for > > > > proficiency. Fly a plane, drive a car, play music, read a book, become > > > > an architect, etc. The relationship of learner to object changes, only > > > > as knowledge of the object deepens. There is an assumed 'I', in order > > > > to make learning possible. > > > > > > > > The goal of the spiritual journey is to burn down any previous > > > > identity, and transcend completely, in order to make genuine > > > > discoveries. Only then do we begin to see the world as it is, watching > > > > its glorious and unending unfolding. > > > > > > > > But, it means confronting deep stories, beliefs, and the emotions, > > > > primarily fear, that drive them. Typically, the journey begins with > > > > following somebody, Buddha, Jesus (vs. Christ), Mohammed, Shiva, etc., > > > > within the context of previous followers; go to a Buddhist temple, read > > > > the bible, start a meditation program. > > > > > > > > Often times, what these followers will do, is substitute the issues of > > > > their life, for the glory and promise they feel as new followers of > > > > whatever vehicle they have chosen for their spiritual journey. In other > > > > words, the previous dream is replaced, or enhanced, by the current > > > > dream, the second dream. > > > > > > > > For many of us, the initial transcending brought about by the TM > > > > technique, seems, and seemed, like a better dream. Get all cozy with > > > > Vedic Knowledge-lite, sit in front of a guru, put on the trappings of > > > > the organization pushing the technique, and dream, dream, dream on. > > > > > > > > Inevitably, if a person continues the spiritual journey, they are faced > > > > with the extinction of the path and the organization that brought them > > > > this far. This will mean they cannot return to the dream that set then > > > > on their path, nor can they continue refuge in a religion or spiritual > > > > organization. > > > > > > > > They are on their own. HOLY SHIT! > > > > > > > > Losing one's contextual identity can be a scary thing. Cutting oneself > > > > out like a paper doll, to stand alone, then reducing that to ashes, > > > > terrifies most people more than physical death does. The response for > > > > many is to retreat into the ego, and ideas and theories and beliefs, > > > > escaping into yet a third dream. > > > > > > > > Like Curtis here, on the illusory basis of their ego-bound selves, they > > > > are endlessly questioning and challenging these things they exposed > > > > themselves to during that initial spiritual discovery - Maharishi was > > > > this and that, blah, blah, blah, often simply spouting palaver to salve > > > > their foolish ways during their rush to forget themselves at the feet > > > > of some teacher or other. They earnestly reject the second dream, for > > > > the third; that of "earnest confusion". > > > > > > > > Its a good place to be these days, "earnestly confused". People > > > > appreciate and respect this type of false searching, this questioning > > > > that never turns inward, this dream of false discovery. > > > > > > > > It makes us appear genuine and heartfelt to others - a nice guy, a > > > > sweet woman. Sadly it is neither. So, these terrified fools (sorry but > > > > calling it as I see it) retreat into books, theories and thoughts that > > > > leave them hopelessly caught in a vise, between whatever dream they > > > > falsely followed, and their deep terror of complete dissolution. > > > > > > > > However, they have learned enough of their rejected path to have gained > > > > some insight. This makes them appear "wise", and "knowledgeable" and > > > > "widely read". The reality is that they are not a whole lot further > > > > along in their spiritual path as when they started. > > > > > > > > Want to know how to see this type of person? They are tied to their > > > > past formal path of spiritual discovery. Even though they are convinced > > > > they have rejected it, and seen the truth of it for themselves, the > > > > confusion around their previous path follows them around like a shadow. > > > > Sensing this shadow, they are constantly denigrating it, often by > > > > attacking those they perceive as accepting the same spiritual path in a > > > > less critical manner. > > > > > > > > This is all the "earnestly confused" have - this one insight that the > > > > spiritual organization they got into bed with, was simply another > > > > dream! They rail at it, and try to wake up others to this fact. They > > > > accomplished something! They saw through the tmo dream! AND IT IS > > > > IMPERATIVE that they convince others of this. > > > > > > > > However, since they are stunted on their way to spiritual freedom, and > > > > by definition, continuing to dream themselves, they have nothing to > > > > offer those who they are trying to wake up; the blinders leading the > > > > blind. > > > > > > > > And others smell this on them. These "third dreamers" become like > > > > politicians, telling others the endless errors of their ways, but > > > > offering nothing in return. So, unfortunately, they become lost between > > > > attempting to convert others to their one insight, yet not recognizing > > > > that the resistance they often encounter is not in response to their > > > > ideas, but a direct response to their inauthentic vibes, the "earnest > > > > confusion", the silent message they send of trying to change the > > > > beliefs of others purely to make their third dream of "earnest > > > > confusion", a perfect dream for themselves. > > > > > > > > The last person any of us are going to listen to, or take seriously is > > > > someone who goes after any organization, political, economic or > > > > spiritual, and clearly has no self knowledge. It Just Don't Smell Right. > > > > > > > > > >
