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________________________________ From: salyavin808 <fintlewoodle...@mail.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 10:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: John Newton Forgiveness Prayer condensed versions --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@...> wrote: > > Thanks, Turq. I agree with what you say about most of the FFL people. > That they aren't in need of or even interested in this kind of post. But I > send something if I think it might be helpful for even one FFL poster or > someone they love. I don't necessarily have a particular person in mind. > And I'm not really making any assumption except that I don't know all the > details about the life and loved ones of anyone here. I certainly assume > that people will ignore my posts if they're not useful to them. > > Apologies to anyone who may have felt as you suggest, insulted, by such posts > of mine. We forgive you ;-) ________________________________ > From: turquoiseb <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 7:18 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: John Newton Forgiveness Prayer condensed versions > > >  > Share, I have to comment. While I know that you must feel that you are > helping and doing something positive by proselytizing for all these healers > and teachers and charlatans you see, I think that you're doing so as the > result of laboring under a faulty assumption. > > You seem to assume that everyone here feels as *in need of* healing and > forgiveness as you are. This simply isn't true. > > I think you may be taking your experience in Fairfield (where *far* too many > people are *far* too sick *far* too much of the time, or believe that they > are) and your experiences in life (still obsessing over traumatic or negative > experiences you've had and feeling that you need to be "healed" of them) and > projecting these things onto other people. You seem to be assuming, in other > words, that everyone is pretty much like you, and spends their lives in > constant NEED of "healing" and "forgiveness." > > I think you're wrong. I, for one, almost *never* think about these things, > and furthermore, never have. I don't think that most of the people on this > forum think of them very often, either. Instead, we tend to live our lives > and focus on happier things, not wallowing in past guilt or wanting > forgiveness for past transgressions or feeling that we need healing from a > seemingly endless list of maladies. > > In addition, to be perfectly honest, most of us have neither the time on our > hands that you seem to have, in which to flock to endless healers and > charlatans in search of these things, or the freely-available amounts of > money that you seem to have to spend on them. > > So, while you are free to keep pursuing this seemingly endless quest for > absolution and healing yourself PLEASE don't keep assuming that everyone on > this forum (or *anyone* on this forum, for that matter) wants to emulate your > example. I honestly don't think that most people do. > > We studied the things we studied and learned from the teachers we worked with > *so that we wouldn't have to keep studying with them and learning from them > forever*. We were interested in learning a few techniques or a little useful > information that would enable us to stand on our *own* two feet spiritually, > and not be constantly running off to someone else to "do it for us." > > Treating us as if we're as stuck in the "I'm not the way I want to be yet, so > I have to see another teacher or healer this week...maybe two" rut the way > you seem to be in is kinda insulting, and not nearly the favor you seem to > think it is. And we *certainly* don't need to be told "how to pray" by > someone who makes his living by selling insta-prayers to people too > uncreative to think up their own. > > I guess that what I'm suggesting is that you should save your enthusiasm > about the charlatans you spend your money on for people more like yourself. > My feeling is that very few on this forum are in the market for what you're > selling, and you constantly trying to sell it to us is getting old. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote: > > > > prayers: God, all that You are, please help me to forgive them. Please > > help them to forgive me. Please help us all to forgive each other, > > forgive ourselves, forgive all people and all people forgive us, completely > > and totally, no matter what, please and thank you. > > > > Notes: you can use any word or phrase in place of God. Infinite Light, > > Divine Presence, Source, Being, Divine Mother, etc. But John also said > > that any phrase would work. In the training on Dec 8, he used an ordinary > > phrase and it worked, meaning that the person's pain subsided. He said > > we're not praying to someone higher than ourselves. We're praying to > > someone more all inclusive than ourselves. > >  > > John's main teacher, Howard Wills began using Ancestral Forgiveness Prayers > > over 30 years ago and has helped many people with all kinds of minor and > > major ailments. John himself began working with people over 25 years > > ago. He began studying with Howard about 16 years ago and continues to > > also help many people with all kinds of minor and major ailments. John > > also learned the TMSP in 1992 and continues to practice that. Here's a > > slightly longer version of the prayer: > > > > prayer: God, all that You are, for me, all my family members, all our > > relationships, all our ancestors and all their relationships through all > > time, through all our lives. For all hurts and wrongs: physical, > > mental, emotional, spiritual, sexual and financial through thought, word or > > deed--please help us all forgive each other, forgive ourselves, forgive all > > people and all people forgive us, completely and totally, no matter what, > > please and thank you. > > > > Notes: John explains that the 4 pillars of the prayers are: God, > > forgiveness, please, thank you. When he works with people he sometimes > > says a longer version of the prayer out loud. Sometimes has the person > > repeat after him. Sometimes he says the prayer silently. Often he > > customizes the prayer to the person's particular situation. With his 25+ > > years of working successfully with people he has noticed that certain parts > > of the body are associated with certain issues. For example, he has > > noticed that teeth issues, in addition to the mundane causes, are often > > associated with fear of dying. > > > > I offer all this in case anyone on FFL is dealing with major stuff either > > themselves or with a loved one. The prayer of course can be used in > > conjunction with both Western approaches to well being and approaches from > > other cultures.   > > >
