Of course, MMY identified himself as a renegade [reformer] from the very start, so the fact that his teachings weren't always in resonance with Gurudev's shouldn't be a surprise.
--- In [email protected], "Premanand Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Akasha, thanks for your feedback about my work etc. Incidentally, > when the topic of why MMY does not publish his guru's teachings > arose, I was asked as to why I thought this was. At the time I had > not one idea about it. But I thought about it for a while and offered > that the most likely reason was that by comparison, people would see > Guru Dev as a real 'guru'. After multiple hours of attempting to > unlock the words of Guru Dev I still think this is true. But there is > obviously another reason, of which I was then unaware. That the > teachings, in places, are divergent to those of MMY. > > I tend to agree with you about mixing and matching generally, if one > has a guru it is best to stick with them. But isn't it usual to be > able to coexist with those in a parampara lineage of teachers? > Actually, I suggest that it is extremely unlikely that the teachings > of Guru Dev differed significantly from those of his teacher since > they are certainly in complete conformity with those of Adi > Shankaracharya. Whether or not one resonates with the published > teachings of Guru Dev, in every aspect he was the epitomy of a guru, > and the personification of Hinduism. To me he was the living > embodiment of his own words which were frequently those of the > scriptures he revered. > > > > > --- In [email protected], akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > <snip> > > > > And I have been greatly impressed by Pauls SBS research and > > > > homepage. Great work. > > > > > > I've complimented Paul on this as well. It's clearly > > > a labor of great love and a terrific resource. > > > > > > However, I wonder about the suggestion Paul made on > > > alt.m.t that Maharishi has deliberately refrained > > > from making Guru Dev's teaching available to TMers > > > because MMY is afraid it would make him, MMY, look > > > bad by comparison. > > > > > > I also wonder how much honor it pays to Guru Dev > > > to use one's professed reverence for the master > > > as a basis for attacking one of his most devoted > > > followers, whatever one may think of that follower. > > > > I rarely read AMT and don't wish to dip into a discussion that I am > > not part of and that probably has a larger context and set of > arguments. > > > > However, my own observations: MMY from my earliest days of seeing > him, > > 67, and ever since, emphasised NOT reading and seeing other > teachers. > > To my surprise SSRS has made similar points, indicating it can cause > > confusion. He even says this is the meaning of Jesus's comment "I > am > > the ONLY way" and is applicable to all teachers. If you follow a > > teacher, they offer an integrated package, internally consistant, > that > > will get you to the "goal". While the parts of each program are > > internally consistant, they are not inter-program exchangable and > > consistant. They may conflict. Thus, on an itner-program basis, each > > component is not necessarily internally consistant and a hodge- podge > > chinese menu, a la carte menu of practices, drawn across various > > teachers' offerings, is not productive, for the most part. Or at > least > > not "supported", not tested, and not "guaranteed". > > > > MMY once said that the Veda is so vast that any statement could be > > made that is consistent with the Veda. As will be its opposite. Thus > > it is not hard to see that taking one angle, an internally > consistent > > system can be created. And taking another angle, a different, but > > valid system can also be created. Sort of parallel to Euclidean and > > non-Euclidean geometries. Though each of them are "correct", their > > parts are not interchangable. > > > > SBS is a different teacher that MMY. I don't think MMY ever claimed > to > > be teaching everything SBS taught. Indeed he has said he is not. MMY > > has his own angle of teaching. And SBS did not teach exactly the > same > > package as his teacher Krishanand, I presume. And each disciple of > SBS > > does not teach the same package. > > > > The key thing that teachers pass down to their students is the full > > light of Consciousness. Each student in the full light of > > Consciousness, and given their propensities and inclinations > (perhaps > > as detailed by jyotish chart), their total training -- from all > > teachers, their past life experience, the needs and karmas of their > > students, the needs of the time, etc, derive an integrated, > internally > > consistent, sadhana that fits them and the times in which they > teach. > > It will not be the same as what other fully lit teachers will do, > even > > those who come from the same teacher. > > > > Just as SSRS, who honors MMY as his teacher, teaches his own > > integrated package. Mixing and matching methods from SBS, MMY and > SSRS > > could be a messy and inefficient sadhana. As would mixing and > matching > > methods solely of MMY and SBS. That is why I belive MMY does not > talk > > about all the things SBS did and taught. All of that is NOT MMY's > > program. And SBS would not mix and match, borowing from MMY if he > were > > (explicitly) teaching today. Each teacher takes their own angle. > > > > So to observe that MMY is not teaching all that SBS taught, or is > not > > revealing all things of SBS, does not seem odd or even a constraint. > > It would be inefficient to mix and match. As to other reasons why > > teachers focus on their angles, and not other teachers, everyone may > > have their theories. Paul may have his. You may have yours. Its all > > fun speculation. While perhaps as useful as gossip, its not a huge > sin > > either, IMO. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. 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