One swipe at Share last night, then another one first thing this morning. Share really gets to you, doesn't she, wolf? Oh yes, I know, you are ONLY JOKING.
--- In [email protected], "Ann" wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], Share Long wrote: > > > > You guys are so right on! My Mom has a Saturn. Though not in her > > garage. Just outside her condo. Well she actually doesn't have a > > garage. So it's not that she has a garage but doesn't use it, etc. And > > when I say just outside her condo I do want to clear that up. First > > there's the door. Well doors really. A sliding screen one which she > > says is cheap and needs to be replaced. And then a wooden one which has 2 > > locks though I'm only allowed to use one of them. Then a patio which > > evidently had lots of drama the last few months in that the walls were > > caving in. She's definitely putting that on the crazy couple upstairs and > > the shoddy contractors now long gone. Then some grass on which she > > doesn't like dogs to poop. Then a sidewalk. Then more grass which she > > also prefers to remain a poop free zone. Which I'm hoping we can all > > understand, even the dog lovers here. Then a curb. And then her very > > own handicapped parking space. > > That's where she keeps her Saturn. Which is white BTW. Thank God not a > > creamy white which is associated with the Moon. But more of a Venus white > > which is good for vehicles. Yay! > > > > Whew! > > > > Anyway, where was I? Oh yes, my Mom's Saturn. Which is actually funny > > because my Saturn is in Cancer which is ruled by the Moon which is > > associated with Mother in jyotish, astrology, and on all Batgap interviews > > (-: > > > > And the Moon in the 6th does aspect Saturn. And I am writing this on > > Monday which is ruled by the Moon...Life, you gotta love it! > > > > Yikes, where was I?! Oh yes, my Mom's Saturn. Which is officially now > > falling apart, meaning it's one expensive repair after another including > > recently a leaky gas tank. Various gagging gasping people have been > > mentioning the gas smell to her for about 2 years. But who's counting? > > And guess what? Saturn, the corporation not her car and not the planet > > either. At least I don't think so. Anyway, Saturn the corporation which > > we have to also recognize is a person I guess, has gone out of business so > > she has to take car to grumpy gas station owner in West Annapolis. She > > bakes him and his wife cookies every Christmas but that hasn't seemed to > > make him any less grumpy. I bet his Saturn is very screwed up (-: > > Wow, what/who do we have to blame for this? Sugar, Wong or the moon and stars? > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: seventhray27 > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 11:08 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment to seekliberation > > > > > >  > > Xeno, you have raised a serious point. Saturn in a garage can be very > > malefic if it becomes activated. Saturn, in order to have a beneficial > > influence, must be able to circulate in some fashion. We have a Saturn > > now, in our backyard. It's influence is generally positive but it always > > has the benefit of earth grounding in its daily circulations. > > > > --- In [email protected], "Ann" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Share Long wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Really enjoyed this, seekliberation.àKetu is in Libra in first > > > > > house for me.àSaturn is just transiting that.àRahu is just > > > > > entering Libra, will transit natal Ketu and transiting Saturn at some > > > > > point in the future.àExpecting wild times ahead.àBut in > > > > > general I love when Saturn transits Libra.àOne jyotishi told me > > > > > Saturn is also deep contentment and that is indeed my experience.à> > > > > When I surrender into Saturn's discipline, etc. deep contentment is > > > > > the result.à> > > > > > > > > Considering the state of my automobile, I think I would prefer Saturn > > > > in my garage, even though I have no natural affinity for that brand of > > > > transportation. > > > > > > Careful Xeno, one of those white knights might come bounding in and > > > accuse you of being mean to Share. But me, I liked your little joke. You > > > see, I actually have a sense of humour. Now if I could only get her to > > > actually laugh at herself, just once, when I rib her about another front > > > row seat at Wrong or Wong or Wombat's healing hoe down. I would consider > > > that a good day. But then no one ever said the newly-healed possess the > > > ability to find their human condition downright hilarious at times. > > > > > > > > http://www.theonion.com/articles/your-horoscopes-week-of-january-9th-2013,30844/ > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: seekliberation > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 8:20 AM > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > à> > > > > I know a lot on this forum don't care much for astrology, but it did > > > > > make sense to me as I began to understand it a little better. This > > > > > will, however, take some explaining. > > > > > > > > > > A lot of gurus and belief systems have convinced many that we can > > > > > achieve enlightenment in this lifetime. But I have a problem with the > > > > > word 'achieve'. What aspect of our consciousness wants to 'Achieve' > > > > > something? It's ultimately our Ego that would want to achieve > > > > > something, and therefore our tendency to try to 'achieve' > > > > > enlightenment is pretty much symbolic of someone with an IQ of 75 > > > > > trying to become a rocket scientist. > > > > > > > > > > In vedic astrology, the planet that rules over our ego and indicates > > > > > what direction our ego will want to go in is the Sun. However, the > > > > > Sun, in Jyotish, does not have the capacity to 'enlighten' us. Ketu > > > > > is the only planet that truly has the capacity to lead a person > > > > > towards enlightenment. Unfortunately, Ketu (as well as Rahu) is not > > > > > like the other planets, it is a 'shadow' planet. For example, if you > > > > > want to develop qualities of Mercury, intellectual activities are > > > > > recommended, and for Mars, competitive and intense activities are > > > > > recommended. Unfortunately can't be developed more by choosing > > > > > different activities or by 'trying' harder to 'achieve' its nature. > > > > > So the question remains, how do we get our consciousness to a point > > > > > where it can handle the qualities of Ketu, being as it is the only > > > > > planet that can enlighten us? > > > > > > > > > > First, learn the speed at which the planets rotate through all the > > > > > zodiac signs: > > > > > > > > > > Moon: 30 days > > > > > Sun: 1 year > > > > > Mercury: 3 months (approx) > > > > > Venus: 7 months (approx) > > > > > Mars: 2 years (approx) > > > > > Jupiter: 12 years > > > > > Rahu/Ketu: 18 years > > > > > Saturn: 29.5 years > > > > > > > > > > So basically, interpretation of the above: The faster a planet > > > > > rotates through the zodiac, the less stable that quality of > > > > > consciousness is. The slower it rotates, the more stable it is. So if > > > > > Moon and Sun rotate the fastest, then that means our Ego and our > > > > > Emotions are the most unstable qualities of consciousness. Rahu/Ketu > > > > > take 18 years to go through the zodiac. But as said before, we don't > > > > > learn or deal with Rahu/Ketu directly. So instead, we have to acquire > > > > > the qualities of consciousness that are deeper and more stable than > > > > > the influence of Karma. Mercury (intellect), Venus (love, balance), > > > > > and Mars (competition, intensity) also fall very short. Now you > > > > > notice, Jupiter (conventional religion, philosophy, higher education) > > > > > rotates through the zodiac every 12 years. So it certainly comes very > > > > > close to preparing our consciousness for enlightenment, but it falls > > > > > just shy of paying the bills. So that leaves one planet and one > > > > > planet only: > > > > > Saturn. Saturn is the only planet (in Vedic Astrology) that rotates > > > > > at a slow enough rate to enable our consciousness to handle the > > > > > experience of enlightenment. So what does Saturn represent? Patience, > > > > > discipline, transcendence, loyalty, anything that requires sacrifice > > > > > or long term commitment, etcââ¬Â¦. > > > > > > > > > > It's also important not to mistake people who display the qualities > > > > > of either Jupiter or Saturn for enlightened people, which is often > > > > > what many Cults do. Jupiter and Saturn are quite powerful. Jupiter > > > > > can give rise to impressive wisdom, enough to keep the lightweight > > > > > Mercury-like Pseudo intellectuals captivated for long enough to get > > > > > their money. Saturn, if our consciousness really grasps it, is > > > > > sometimes (but rarely) known for mystical abilities among other > > > > > impressive traits. However, Saturn STILL ISN'T KETU. It prepares us > > > > > for enlightenment, but in and of itself, it is not enlightenment. So > > > > > essentially, what can we 'DO' to achieve enlightenment? From what > > > > > I've learned, getting our consciousness to the point where we can > > > > > handle Saturn's influence to its fullest extent is pretty much all we > > > > > can do. However, it is important to note that most people are still > > > > > stuck between Mercury, Venus and Mars. Those planets alone are > > > > > kicking most people's > > > > > asses in this world. You add Jupiter and Saturn's influence on their > > > > > daily schedule and people will start dropping like flies. > > > > > > > > > > So, given the above explanation, you will probably understand my tone > > > > > when I often ridicule the seriousness and intensity at which others > > > > > in this world pursue enlightenment. I'm looking at that person and > > > > > seeing clearly that they can barely handle the experiences of the > > > > > lightweight planets (Sun,Mo, Me,Ve, and Ma). You give these people a > > > > > dose of the heavyweight planets and you're talking PTSD for many of > > > > > them. I often wonder why they think they're ready for enlightenment > > > > > when they can barely even handle the really deep and heavy > > > > > experiences in life first. In fact, many people obsessed with > > > > > enlightenment downright avoid deep and heavy experiences to the > > > > > extent of developing philosophies and paradigms that declare those > > > > > experiences as being ignorant and unevolved. > > > > > > > > > > I know a contradictory attitude towards enlightenment is that anyone > > > > > can become enlightened at anytime, it's just a matter of removing the > > > > > ego from the driver's seat of our consciousness. Again, Sun is the > > > > > ego, and Saturn/Rahu/Ketu are what prevents it from being in control. > > > > > So essentially, whether someone will be able to let go of their ego > > > > > is not something determined by their decisions or their will power, > > > > > which is egotistic in the first place. It's almost like baking a > > > > > recipe. You either have enough of a certain substance to counteract > > > > > another substance, or you don't. In the same way, a person either has > > > > > or hasn't lived enough lives to acquire the qualities of the Anti-ego > > > > > planets (specifically Saturn) in order to let go of the ego, or they > > > > > haven't. If they haven't, then no amount of time spent focusing on > > > > > enlightenment will yield enlightenment. It would be like someone who > > > > > can't even run a mile without stopping trying to compete for the world > > > > > heavyweight title in boxing; they would get their ass kicked every > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > seekliberation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Thought I would offer this for purposes of discussion. These are my > > > > > > own beliefs at this time: > > > > > > > > > > > > From the teachings or musings if you will of people like Eckhart > > > > > > Tolle and Anita Moorjani, Adyashanti one has to believe that the > > > > > > whole thing > > > > > > about enlightenment and the whole schtick that goes with it is > > > > > > complete made up > > > > > > bullshit. > > > > > > > > > > > > Some meditation teachers like to teach that enlightenment is > > > > > > something that is achievable in this lifetime, but in truth it is > > > > > > already here, > > > > > > covered over by egoic perception. Maharishi was particularly prone > > > > > > to > > > > > > promulgate this idea that enlightenment was something to precious > > > > > > and rare that > > > > > > needed to be pursued, to be chased, and he and teachers like him do > > > > > > that to be > > > > > > able to get more people to buy their nosturms. > > > > > > > > > > > > But evidently what we have called ââ∠> > > > > > "enlightenmentâââ¬ï¿½ is our > > > > > > natural state must by virtue of being, just by being. You > > > > > > donâââ‰â¢t have to go > > > > > > anywhere or do anything to become this ââ∠> > > > > > "stateâââ¬ï¿½ of awareness or being, but just > > > > > > be. It must mean that meditation and seeking will never lead to the > > > > > > experience of > > > > > > enlightenment, and when most people talk about their enlightenment > > > > > > they are > > > > > > referring to a fluctuating experience of consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > > > This to me also means that the old Hindu stuff about having > > > > > > to spend countless lifetimes as plants, bugs, animals and so forth > > > > > > until you ââ∠"meritâââ¬ï¿½ > > > > > > a human body is also complete made up bullshit. Why would the > > > > > > Infinite > > > > > > Magnificence, the Unlimited Love that we are choose to do that? I > > > > > > canâââ‰â¢t think > > > > > > of a reason. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any thoughts folks? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
