--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > One swipe at Share last night, then another one first thing this morning. > Share really gets to you, doesn't she, wolf? Oh yes, I know, you are ONLY > JOKING.
Yes she does Feste. I couldn't make heads or tails of that drivel... > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > > > You guys are so right on! My Mom has a Saturn. Though not in her > > > garage. Just outside her condo. Well she actually doesn't have a > > > garage. So it's not that she has a garage but doesn't use it, etc. > > > And when I say just outside her condo I do want to clear that up. First > > > there's the door. Well doors really. A sliding screen one which she > > > says is cheap and needs to be replaced. And then a wooden one which has > > > 2 locks though I'm only allowed to use one of them. Then a patio which > > > evidently had lots of drama the last few months in that the walls were > > > caving in. She's definitely putting that on the crazy couple upstairs > > > and the shoddy contractors now long gone. Then some grass on which she > > > doesn't like dogs to poop. Then a sidewalk. Then more grass which she > > > also prefers to remain a poop free zone. Which I'm hoping we can all > > > understand, even the dog lovers here. Then a curb. And then her very > > > own handicapped parking space. > > > That's where she keeps her Saturn. Which is white BTW. Thank God not > > > a creamy white which is associated with the Moon. But more of a Venus > > > white which is good for vehicles. Yay! > > > > > > Whew! > > > > > > Anyway, where was I? Oh yes, my Mom's Saturn. Which is actually funny > > > because my Saturn is in Cancer which is ruled by the Moon which is > > > associated with Mother in jyotish, astrology, and on all Batgap > > > interviews (-: > > > > > > And the Moon in the 6th does aspect Saturn. And I am writing this on > > > Monday which is ruled by the Moon...Life, you gotta love it! > > > > > > Yikes, where was I?! Oh yes, my Mom's Saturn. Which is officially now > > > falling apart, meaning it's one expensive repair after another including > > > recently a leaky gas tank. Various gagging gasping people have been > > > mentioning the gas smell to her for about 2 years. But who's counting? > > > And guess what? Saturn, the corporation not her car and not the planet > > > either. At least I don't think so. Anyway, Saturn the corporation > > > which we have to also recognize is a person I guess, has gone out of > > > business so she has to take car to grumpy gas station owner in West > > > Annapolis. She bakes him and his wife cookies every Christmas but that > > > hasn't seemed to make him any less grumpy. I bet his Saturn is very > > > screwed up (-: > > > > Wow, what/who do we have to blame for this? Sugar, Wong or the moon and > > stars? > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: seventhray27 > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 11:08 PM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment to seekliberation > > > > > > > > >  > > > Xeno, you have raised a serious point. Saturn in a garage can be very > > > malefic if it becomes activated. Saturn, in order to have a beneficial > > > influence, must be able to circulate in some fashion. We have a Saturn > > > now, in our backyard. It's influence is generally positive but it > > > always has the benefit of earth grounding in its daily circulations. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Really enjoyed this, seekliberation.àKetu is in Libra in first > > > > > > house for me.àSaturn is just transiting that.àRahu is just > > > > > > entering Libra, will transit natal Ketu and transiting Saturn at > > > > > > some point in the future.àExpecting wild times ahead.àBut > > > > > > in general I love when Saturn transits Libra.àOne jyotishi told > > > > > > me Saturn is also deep contentment and that is indeed my > > > > > > experience.àWhen I surrender into Saturn's discipline, etc. > > > > > > deep contentment is the result.à> > > > > > > > > > > Considering the state of my automobile, I think I would prefer Saturn > > > > > in my garage, even though I have no natural affinity for that brand > > > > > of transportation. > > > > > > > > Careful Xeno, one of those white knights might come bounding in and > > > > accuse you of being mean to Share. But me, I liked your little joke. > > > > You see, I actually have a sense of humour. Now if I could only get her > > > > to actually laugh at herself, just once, when I rib her about another > > > > front row seat at Wrong or Wong or Wombat's healing hoe down. I would > > > > consider that a good day. But then no one ever said the newly-healed > > > > possess the ability to find their human condition downright hilarious > > > > at times. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.theonion.com/articles/your-horoscopes-week-of-january-9th-2013,30844/ > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: seekliberation > > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 8:20 AM > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > à> > > > > > I know a lot on this forum don't care much for astrology, but it > > > > > > did make sense to me as I began to understand it a little better. > > > > > > This will, however, take some explaining. > > > > > > > > > > > > A lot of gurus and belief systems have convinced many that we can > > > > > > achieve enlightenment in this lifetime. But I have a problem with > > > > > > the word 'achieve'. What aspect of our consciousness wants to > > > > > > 'Achieve' something? It's ultimately our Ego that would want to > > > > > > achieve something, and therefore our tendency to try to 'achieve' > > > > > > enlightenment is pretty much symbolic of someone with an IQ of 75 > > > > > > trying to become a rocket scientist. > > > > > > > > > > > > In vedic astrology, the planet that rules over our ego and > > > > > > indicates what direction our ego will want to go in is the Sun. > > > > > > However, the Sun, in Jyotish, does not have the capacity to > > > > > > 'enlighten' us. Ketu is the only planet that truly has the capacity > > > > > > to lead a person towards enlightenment. Unfortunately, Ketu (as > > > > > > well as Rahu) is not like the other planets, it is a 'shadow' > > > > > > planet. For example, if you want to develop qualities of Mercury, > > > > > > intellectual activities are recommended, and for Mars, competitive > > > > > > and intense activities are recommended. Unfortunately can't be > > > > > > developed more by choosing different activities or by 'trying' > > > > > > harder to 'achieve' its nature. So the question remains, how do we > > > > > > get our consciousness to a point where it can handle the qualities > > > > > > of Ketu, being as it is the only planet that can enlighten us? > > > > > > > > > > > > First, learn the speed at which the planets rotate through all the > > > > > > zodiac signs: > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon: 30 days > > > > > > Sun: 1 year > > > > > > Mercury: 3 months (approx) > > > > > > Venus: 7 months (approx) > > > > > > Mars: 2 years (approx) > > > > > > Jupiter: 12 years > > > > > > Rahu/Ketu: 18 years > > > > > > Saturn: 29.5 years > > > > > > > > > > > > So basically, interpretation of the above: The faster a planet > > > > > > rotates through the zodiac, the less stable that quality of > > > > > > consciousness is. The slower it rotates, the more stable it is. So > > > > > > if Moon and Sun rotate the fastest, then that means our Ego and our > > > > > > Emotions are the most unstable qualities of consciousness. > > > > > > Rahu/Ketu take 18 years to go through the zodiac. But as said > > > > > > before, we don't learn or deal with Rahu/Ketu directly. So instead, > > > > > > we have to acquire the qualities of consciousness that are deeper > > > > > > and more stable than the influence of Karma. Mercury (intellect), > > > > > > Venus (love, balance), and Mars (competition, intensity) also fall > > > > > > very short. Now you notice, Jupiter (conventional religion, > > > > > > philosophy, higher education) rotates through the zodiac every 12 > > > > > > years. So it certainly comes very close to preparing our > > > > > > consciousness for enlightenment, but it falls just shy of paying > > > > > > the bills. So that leaves one planet and one planet only: > > > > > > Saturn. Saturn is the only planet (in Vedic Astrology) that rotates > > > > > > at a slow enough rate to enable our consciousness to handle the > > > > > > experience of enlightenment. So what does Saturn represent? > > > > > > Patience, discipline, transcendence, loyalty, anything that > > > > > > requires sacrifice or long term commitment, etcââ¬Â¦. > > > > > > > > > > > > It's also important not to mistake people who display the qualities > > > > > > of either Jupiter or Saturn for enlightened people, which is often > > > > > > what many Cults do. Jupiter and Saturn are quite powerful. Jupiter > > > > > > can give rise to impressive wisdom, enough to keep the lightweight > > > > > > Mercury-like Pseudo intellectuals captivated for long enough to get > > > > > > their money. Saturn, if our consciousness really grasps it, is > > > > > > sometimes (but rarely) known for mystical abilities among other > > > > > > impressive traits. However, Saturn STILL ISN'T KETU. It prepares us > > > > > > for enlightenment, but in and of itself, it is not enlightenment. > > > > > > So essentially, what can we 'DO' to achieve enlightenment? From > > > > > > what I've learned, getting our consciousness to the point where we > > > > > > can handle Saturn's influence to its fullest extent is pretty much > > > > > > all we can do. However, it is important to note that most people > > > > > > are still stuck between Mercury, Venus and Mars. Those planets > > > > > > alone are kicking most people's > > > > > > asses in this world. You add Jupiter and Saturn's influence on > > > > > > their daily schedule and people will start dropping like flies. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, given the above explanation, you will probably understand my > > > > > > tone when I often ridicule the seriousness and intensity at which > > > > > > others in this world pursue enlightenment. I'm looking at that > > > > > > person and seeing clearly that they can barely handle the > > > > > > experiences of the lightweight planets (Sun,Mo, Me,Ve, and Ma). You > > > > > > give these people a dose of the heavyweight planets and you're > > > > > > talking PTSD for many of them. I often wonder why they think > > > > > > they're ready for enlightenment when they can barely even handle > > > > > > the really deep and heavy experiences in life first. In fact, many > > > > > > people obsessed with enlightenment downright avoid deep and heavy > > > > > > experiences to the extent of developing philosophies and paradigms > > > > > > that declare those experiences as being ignorant and unevolved. > > > > > > > > > > > > I know a contradictory attitude towards enlightenment is that > > > > > > anyone can become enlightened at anytime, it's just a matter of > > > > > > removing the ego from the driver's seat of our consciousness. > > > > > > Again, Sun is the ego, and Saturn/Rahu/Ketu are what prevents it > > > > > > from being in control. So essentially, whether someone will be able > > > > > > to let go of their ego is not something determined by their > > > > > > decisions or their will power, which is egotistic in the first > > > > > > place. It's almost like baking a recipe. You either have enough of > > > > > > a certain substance to counteract another substance, or you don't. > > > > > > In the same way, a person either has or hasn't lived enough lives > > > > > > to acquire the qualities of the Anti-ego planets (specifically > > > > > > Saturn) in order to let go of the ego, or they haven't. If they > > > > > > haven't, then no amount of time spent focusing on enlightenment > > > > > > will yield enlightenment. It would be like someone who can't even > > > > > > run a mile without stopping trying to compete for the world > > > > > > heavyweight title in boxing; they would get their ass kicked every > > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > seekliberation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thought I would offer this for purposes of discussion. These are > > > > > > > my own beliefs at this time: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From the teachings or musings if you will of people like Eckhart > > > > > > > Tolle and Anita Moorjani, Adyashanti one has to believe that the > > > > > > > whole thing > > > > > > > about enlightenment and the whole schtick that goes with it is > > > > > > > complete made up > > > > > > > bullshit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some meditation teachers like to teach that enlightenment is > > > > > > > something that is achievable in this lifetime, but in truth it is > > > > > > > already here, > > > > > > > covered over by egoic perception. Maharishi was particularly > > > > > > > prone to > > > > > > > promulgate this idea that enlightenment was something to precious > > > > > > > and rare that > > > > > > > needed to be pursued, to be chased, and he and teachers like him > > > > > > > do that to be > > > > > > > able to get more people to buy their nosturms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But evidently what we have called ââ∠> > > > > > > "enlightenmentâââ¬ï¿½ is our > > > > > > > natural state must by virtue of being, just by being. You > > > > > > > donâââ‰â¢t have to go > > > > > > > anywhere or do anything to become this ââ∠> > > > > > > "stateâââ¬ï¿½ of awareness or being, but just > > > > > > > be. It must mean that meditation and seeking will never lead to > > > > > > > the experience of > > > > > > > enlightenment, and when most people talk about their > > > > > > > enlightenment they are > > > > > > > referring to a fluctuating experience of consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This to me also means that the old Hindu stuff about having > > > > > > > to spend countless lifetimes as plants, bugs, animals and so > > > > > > > forth until you ââ∠"meritâââ¬ï¿½ > > > > > > > a human body is also complete made up bullshit. Why would the > > > > > > > Infinite > > > > > > > Magnificence, the Unlimited Love that we are choose to do that? I > > > > > > > canâââ‰â¢t think > > > > > > > of a reason. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any thoughts folks? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
