This is what Curtis said, and Judy challenged: "And this was Maharishi's stated goal, fulfillment divorced from achievement."
'nuff said. I'm quite surprised I had to point it out to you. Also, enlightened people, contrary to a lot of beliefs, don't act like pleasant eunuchs. All of them I have met have pretty normal personalities. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" <fintlewoodlewix@...> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Oh you cute little weasel, you - You're off spinning your BS, and when I > > call you on it, I'm a dick? > > > > OK, Curtis, we'll play this, according to "Curtis logic": > > > > I just heard that red lights NOW MEAN "GO". Really, its true because I said > > it is, and I have experience with traffic lights, and if you propose a > > reason that I may be pulling this out of my butt, it means you are > > attacking me personally. > > > > I'm sorry, Curtis, but I overwhelmingly favor reality. > > > > Sincerely, > > Your Dick > > OK, I'm a casual observer in this one who has just read the > posts concerned and can't see any BS from Curtis. Just an > opinion that you obviously disaproved of. You do this a lot > when someone takes a different line to the one you have > chosen. It makes me think your enlightenment is a bit on the > fragile side, it's too easy to bruise your ego and send you > over the top. It'd be OK if you kept to the point but you don't. > > Where is this pristine emptiness of which you speak? > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > Without anything specific to refute or correct the old personal attacks > > > again... > > > > > > Check out Judy's response which has many good points of challenge for me > > > to think about. What have you accomplished here other than to appear > > > like a dick? > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Just like Barry, Curtis has his secret stash of data, on the rest of > > > > us, scrupulously compiled with a wounded and fearful heart. > > > > > > > > Every time Curtis gets bent out of shape, he starts up with his, "maybe > > > > red is blue", act, and determines all sorts of "scientific truths" > > > > about TM and Maharishi, from his crippled emotional state. > > > > > > > > He and Barry need therapy. Sorry guys - I have come across a lot of > > > > dense old men - those continuously ready to see the problem always "out > > > > there", propped up by a bloated ego. And it gets really tiresome. > > > > > > > > I get the oddest picture when Barry and Curtis team up - a couple of > > > > spinster aunts. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <authfriend@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > > > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emilymae.reyn" > > > > > > <emilymae.reyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does meditation work to balance out the chemical makeup of > > > > > > > one's physiology? Does it release our natural feel good > > > > > > > chemicals within the body? Or, maintain balanced levels > > > > > > > of serotonin, dopamine, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > My experience with TM meditation and its associated practices > > > > > > is that it is a way to hijack our usual brain reward system > > > > > > for achievement in our lives. > > > > > > > > > > Maybe this should say, "...it is a way to hijack my usual > > > > > brain reward system for achievement in my life," since this > > > > > is your personal experience. > > > > > > > > > > > And this was Maharishi's stated goal, fulfillment divorced > > > > > > from achievement. > > > > > > > > > > When did he say this? Do you have a quote? Was this one > > > > > of the "secret teachings" just for teachers? Because I > > > > > sure don't remember having heard him say it. > > > > > > > > > > Anybody else remember Maharishi saying this was his goal? > > > > > > > > > > > If you keep mediating you cultivate the mind to trigger > > > > > > highly pleasurable states. It becomes very addictive. > > > > > > Many meditators show signs of extreme irritation if they > > > > > > miss a mediation once they get hooked on it just like > > > > > > any other addict. > > > > > > > > > > How many meditators show this? What percentage would you > > > > > say? And how have you determined this? > > > > > > > > > > In what follows, you shift back and forth from statements > > > > > about your personal experience to general statements as to > > > > > how TM affects people in general. With regard to the latter, > > > > > could you explain how you've determined that these are > > > > > effects common to everyone who practices TM? (Or meditation > > > > > in general, depending on which you mean, which you don't > > > > > always specify.) > > > > > > > > > > I ask because none of what you describe resembles my > > > > > own experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So IMO mediation can become a problem like any other form of > > > > > > hijacking the pleasure states, meant to reward our species for > > > > > > doing things that promote our survival or express our creativity. I > > > > > > believe there is no neuronal free lunch, every pleasure state has a > > > > > > cost. > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course this is a highly heretical view in circles where regular > > > > > > meditation and more meditation are both seen as only positives. > > > > > > But for me the balance is trickier. I use meditation when I need > > > > > > some of what it does for my brain, but regular meditation just > > > > > > leads to me getting hooked on the mental states it produces. And > > > > > > for me these states do not produce my optimum functioning. > > > > > > > > > > > > They are as advertized, very charming to our minds. But they can > > > > > > easily lead to an end in themselves since our brains are inherently > > > > > > lazy and getting the quick reward is neurologically preferred. > > > > > > Unfortunately that does not lead to my fullest creative potential > > > > > > any more than hitting the slot lever again and again. Although > > > > > > they say that meditation is a preparation for activity, and I don't > > > > > > doubt that for really impulsive people it is a real benefit, for > > > > > > people like me who have perhaps cultivated this functioning a bit > > > > > > too much, it can become a real distraction. I get a lot more done > > > > > > with my eyes opened! > > > > > > > > > > > > This understanding is still just a work in progress. I am > > > > > > fascinated that some like Barry maintain that other forms of > > > > > > meditation do no exhibit some of what I see as downsides of TM's > > > > > > passive bliss states style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
