--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], off_world_beings > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Then answer this: > > > > 1. Are you assuming Maharishi screwed up? > > > > > > I honestly don't know. Seems to me that to say MMY > > > screwed up, you first have to assume that TM *could* > > > save the world if it were properly administered, and > > > that's really what I'm trying to get at. > > > > > > If TM *could* save the world, then it looks to me > > > like he's screwed up. If it couldn't, then what > > > would he have screwed up? The question wouldn't > > > make any sense in that case. > > > > > > > 2. If so, what rational did he have for doing so? > > > > > > Er, one doesn't usually have a rationale for screwing > > > up; it tends to be unintentional. > > > > > > > 3. If he didn't screw up on any level, should we therefore > > > > worry about anything, or even care? > > > > > > I don't think we can know for sure whether he screwed > > > up, given that the course of action is unfathomable. > > > But even if we could know for sure that he didn't, I > > > don't understand the rest of your question. Could you > > > elaborate? > > > > > > I'm really not trying to be confrontational, I'm just > > > soliciting opinions. I also think it's important to > > > make the point that to say MMY screwed up assumes one > > > believes he could have been successful, that TM could > > > save the world, as I said, if properly administered. > > > > > > My *guess* is that it could, but I really can't say > > > that I know for sure. I'm interested in what others > > > think. > > > > Ok, if you really are soliciting opinion and > > not trying to be confrontational with this, > > I apologize for recent snipes at you. > > > > My opinion would be that we are back to discus- > > sions the two of us have had in the past about > > "the end justifies the means" vs. the Buddhist > > "the means *are* the end." > > OK, but that's a very different issue from the one > I'm asking about. > > > In my opinion, it wouldn't *matter* if the goal > > couldn't be reached, if it was forever out of > > reach. It's the reaching, and the quality of > > that reaching, that I think is important. > > Wouldn't matter to whom? > > > I honestly believe that how well one walks through > > the world is far more important, kamically, than > > whether one reaches one's intended destination. > > I don't really care one way or the other about > MMY's karma, to be honest. > > > I'm not convinced that Maharishi has walked his > > walk as well as he was capable of doing. > > > > But you are correct. That doesn't make him > > a failure, merely human, like everybody else, > > myself included. > > I don't think I said I thought not having done his > best wouldn't make him a failure. > > Yes, we're all human and imperfect, but that doesn't > negate the question of whether one has failed in a > particular endeavor. > > But I think you've answered my original question: > you think he failed (in my terms) whether or not TM, > properly administered, could save the world (in other > words, you don't know whether TM could save the world).
You think incorrectly, if you think that's what I said. I believe he failed at living his life well. Whether the world could be "saved" or not is irrelevant. The only thing that is important IMO is, if you have announced "saving the world" publicly as your goal, you should act as if you believed it, and put your best effort into achieving it. I remain unconvinced that Maharishi did either after about 1975. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
