Rereading my original post I can see how you would think I was referring to Girish - but I was referring to Marshy
________________________________ From: seventhray27 <steve.sun...@yahoo.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 10:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment Bravo Michael! I was wondering when you'd get up to speed. Now let me make sure I have it straight. Bevan and the rest had to know what Girish was up to, and they aided and abetted all his alleged activities. You are speaking of this as though you have first hand knowledge of this. An is it okay for me to use the word "alleged", or is that just some old fashioned western concept. And, would it be a bit of fallacy to declare that Maharishi was a typical male Hindu and therefore misogynisitic and therefore declare that he embraces all attributes you have in quotes, (without a clickable link I might add). I cannot take issue with the fact that there are no woman in positions of authority in the TMO. I think that would be well to be remedied if the movement can survive, but to take that fact and therefore draw the conclusions you make I think is unwarranted, and a stretch. But let's be real. That is your usual method of operation. And may I anticipate your retort. "To seventhray and all those who are in deep denial about the real TMO, there is little hope you can climb out of you naive perceptions." --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@...> wrote: > > I think you are looking through gold tinted glasses - Bevan and all the rest > who were close to Marshy had to know what he was up to, they condoned and > abetted his womanizing, lying and defrauding people financially, so in that > sense they are good custodians of his "legacy" - they Girish is a Marshy > student who learned the tricks of a fake master at his uncle's knee - its is > just more of the same behavior - nothing else. > > There never have been and never will be women in positions of power in the TM > Movement because Marshy was a misogynistic man with fairly typical male Hindu > views of women (kitchen and bedroom), but don't believe me, let's see what > some Indian women have to say on the matter: > > "For Indians, girls are a burden; the desire for male progeny is as > natural to us as breathing. We utter prayers, make vows, observe fasts, > bow before this or that divinity all for the cherished, penis-laden > offspring, all so that we may not remain childless or burdened with the > debit side of the accountâ€"the girl child. For burden she isâ€"practically > every Indian, in almost every single region of India, barring a few > areas where matrilineal systems existâ€"must be familiar with the idea > that a girl is “paraya dhan,â€�â€"the treasure of another’s home. Exiled > at > birth, she already belongs to her in-laws, who are her “trueâ€� family. > The word “treasureâ€� should not fool us. We are commodities, chattel, > goods. Why else would we have to pay a groom’s family for the favor of > taking the girl child off our sinful hands?" > > from this page: http://www.intrepidreport.com/archives/8529 > > > "Sons are taught that they are a blessing to be cherished and that > women are there to serve them however they please. This is only echoed > in Bollywood films, which are regrettably romanticized by the west, in > which male protagonists depict their sexual prowess by sexually > harassing the principal female character into submission. In the world > of Indian melodramas, a "no" will inevitably turn to a "yes" after a few song > and dance routines in the rain, of course. > > Women have no ally in the legislature either, as every major political party > has candidates that have been charged with crimes > against women, ranging from domestic abuse to rape. Additionally, Indian > jurisprudence sanctions a "virginity test" to determine the credibility of > the victim's statement. In the test, a > doctor inserts two fingers into the woman's vagina to determine the > presence or absence of the hymen and the general "laxity" of the vagina, and > presumably, the victim herself." > From the page: http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/30/world/asia/misogyny-india > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Susan wayback71@... > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 5:30 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment > > >  > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" <wayback71@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > <fintlewoodlewix@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual > > harassment guideline for its employees and officers? > > > > > > > > > > Probably not, I imagine they still hope that the stuff they > > > > > teach about spontaneous right action and coherent behaviour > > > > > is actually true and they therefore don't need a legal fall > > > > > back. > > > > > > > > > > But if this story is true, it isn't an employee it's the guy > > > > > at the top and he isn't going to want harassment guidelines > > > > > is he? > > > > > > > > > > Still, at least he hasn't claimed he was "helping her with > > > > > her karma". I look forward to a full report in TM News > > > > > magazine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the TM administration going to do about him? [?] The Girish > > story seems to broaden everyday. Do a google 'news' search for "Girish > > Varma". He comes right up now, Times of India every day: Molestation, > > extortion, attemped murder, Sex in the back seat of an Audi. Five-Star > > Hotels. Other women come forward. It's very unfortunate. Jeeesus. > > > > > > > > The guy could take the whole Indian TM sub-continent down with him > > and TM Europe and the Americas too. Who would want to be associated > > with him? > > > > > > http://globalpeaceproject.net/about-us/the-foundation/brahmananda-sarasw\ > > ati-foundatio-board-of-directors/ > > > > > > > Agreed, he could take the entire TMO down. At the very least, there > > will need to be major restructuring, looking over finances (that is if > > there is anything left for the TMO as opposed to the family members!). > > Girish could be the legacy that gets remembered. Starts with MMY and the > > Beatles and the finale is 50 years later with Girish. Somewhere here are > > lessons to be learned. It could be that TM-USA will separate from > > India. Seems in India it was just a big business with a cover story of > > education.. Here, we raised the money for them, and also did the > > scientific research part. > > > Buck, are there big raja meetings to discuss this stuff? I wold think > > that Bevan and JOhn and RajaRaam are pretty worried. > > > > > > > > > Susan, Yep one should wonder and hope that everyone on this Board of > > Directors list is thinking a lot about this. Notice there are no women > > on our SBS Foundation Board: > > Yes, there are no women. Because I believe that MMY did not want them on the > board, right? It would be a real shame if the actions of one or a few undid > all the years of genuine devotion on the part of many on this list, and Tony > and John and Bevan. Whether you like them or not, they are devotees and have, > imo, worked hard to make MMY"s ideas a reality. > Probably after MMY died they had serious misgivings about Girish and wanted > to remove him, but they waited knowing MMY had picked him. Graft can happen > anywhere, but I think organizations that are more mature have learned to have > committees and oversight at every stage, especially when it comes to money > issues. The temptation is just so great. And then there is the sex issue. > Tough one, that. > > > > > > http://globalpeaceproject.net/about-us/the-foundation/brahmananda-sarasw\ > > ati-foundatio-board-of-directors/ > > <http://globalpeaceproject.net/about-us/the-foundation/brahmananda-saras\ > > wati-foundatio-board-of-directors/> > > > > * Avinoam Shlomo Barkol â€" Educator > > Ramat-Gan, Israel > > * John H. Black, M.A. â€" Educator > > Palo Alto, CA, USA > > * Rafael David â€" Business Entrepreneur > > Vero Beach, FL, USA > > * Howard Martin Chandler, Ph.D. â€" Educator > > Boston, MA , USA > > * James Kevin Egan, Ph.D. â€" Business Entrepreneur > > Boone, NC, USA > > * Hugh Richard Alan Godfrey â€" Retired Businessman > > London, England > > * Shawn Jeffrey Herman, MBA â€" Retired Real Estate Manager > > Palo Alto, CA, USA > > * Richard Glenn Ross, B.F.A. â€" Educator > > Fairfield, IA, USA > > * Harris Kaplan â€" Retired Investment Fund Manager > > Boone, NC, USA > > * Steve Rubin â€" Retired Businessman > > Sebastian, FL, USA > > * John Hagelin. Ph.D. â€" Quantum Physicist and Educator > > Fairfield, IA, USA > > * John Fagan. Ph.D. â€" Research Scientist and Activist > > Fairfield, IA, USA > > * Graham Anthony de Freitas, Ph.D. â€" Administrator and Educator > > Fairfield, IA, USA > > * Ior Guglielmi, M.D. â€" Medical Doctor > > Verona, Italy > > * Robert LoPinto â€" Retired Businessman > > Rockville, MD, USA > > * Thomas Elijah Stanley â€"Philanthropist > > Fairfield, IA, USA > > * Robert G. Wynne, Ph.D. â€"Mayor > > Maharishi Vedic City, IA, USA > > * Charoen-Rajapark â€" Businessman > > Bangkok, Thailand > > * Paul Potter â€" Educator > > New York, USA > > * Michael Charles Dillbeck, Ph.D â€" Scientist and Educator > > Champaign, IL, USA > > * Bruce Plaut, CPA, MBA â€" Accountant and Businessman > > Fairfield, IA, USA > > * Emanuel Schiffgens â€" Administrator > > Hannover, Germany > > * Kingsley Brooks, M.A. â€" Administrator > > Lincoln, MA, USA > > * Bjarne Steffen Landsfeldt â€" Administrator > > Mausing, Kjellerup, Denmark > > * Willem Meijles, Ph.D. â€" Administrator > > Vlodrop, The Netherlands > > * Antonio Bartolomé Menéndez â€" Businessman > > Banastás, Huesca, Spain > > * Mariano Facipieri â€" Businessman > > Baschi, Italy > > * Jose Luis Alvares Roset â€" Administrator > > Barcelona, Spain > > * John Carol Konhaus â€" Agriculturalist and Administrator > > Nasu, Japan > > * Felix Urs Kägi â€" Administrator > > Zürich, Switzerland > > * James Rogers Badgett Jr. â€" Businessman > > Fairfield, IA, USA > > * Peter Warburton, M.A. â€" Administrator > > Rendlesham, Woodbridge, Suffolk, UK > > * Patrick John Barrett, Ph.D. â€" Clinical Psychologist > > Boone, NC, USA > > * Lucien Mansour â€" Retired Businessman > > Brussels, Belgium > > * Dean Dodrill â€" Business Entrepreneur > > Washington, D.C., USA > > * Bevan Morris, Ph.D. â€" Educator > > Maharishi Vedic City, Iowa, USA > > * Benjamin Feldman, â€" Administrator > > Mexico City, Mexico > > * Volker Schanbacher, Ph.D. â€" Research Physicist and Educator > > Heidelberg, Germany > > * Christopher Bromley Crowell, M.A. â€" Administrator and Educator > > Vlodrop, The Netherlands > > * Larry Chroman, M.A. â€" Investment Fund Manager > > Tiburon, CA, USA > > * Rainer Picha, M.D. â€" Cardiologist and Research Scientist > > Vienna, Austria > > * Peter Frederick Swan â€" Agriculturalist > > Cape Town, South Africa > > * Dr. Eike Hartmann â€" Architect > > Hannover, Germany > > * Major General Kulwant Singh â€" Retired Indian Army Officer > > New Delhi, India > > * > > >
