Rick, Of course Hegelin won't come off as holier-than-thou, cuz, natch, he's practiced in the art of civil conversation. And he's smart and accomplished in the real world, so it wouldn't be like him to have low self esteem such that he'd need to put on airs in order to shore up some public image.
But note Hegelin's immoral sex life. There's his actual superiority complex running close to red-line. That is: other people's ideas about marital fidelity are to be trod upon without any civility. That can't be ignored. He's a sex addict who harms others without compunction, and probably that personality-dynamic hasn't been dented in the least by TM practice any more than, say, homosexuality would be impacted. Somethings are inborn that TM would label immoral or not evolutionary, etc. Harming others so arbitrarily simply CANNOT be dharmic unless the others are purely demonic and one has the ken of Krishna. Unless he openly confessed about such things and vowed to never indulge again, and offer reasons why we should believe him against all evidence, he can't be enlightened, and so he shouldn't be on ANY panel. And of course, his words would be well received, cuz, WHO HAS TAKEN THE TIME TO GET CLEAR ABOUT THE AXIOMS? Answer: but few. I spouted TM jargon and wisdom for 29 years and I had never really thought anywhere nearly as deeply about things as I would have vociferously asserted if I'd been challenged. It took me three years of daily study of Advaita to finally get what I was missing -- it was my definitions and how I was using them. They weren't axiomatically in harmony with each other. And it took a lot to correct that. I think Hegelin, and most FFL posters have NOT got the clarity to authentically use most of the words they use. Inconsistency is the norm. I saw it in Maharishi's Gita too. And Rick, you've hung around so many of these folks, isn't it about time that you interviewed yourself for all of us? I would love to hear, and I would STUDY what you say about "mind, consciousness, awareness" such that they are delineated as very different concepts. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <rick@...> wrote: > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Duveyoung > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:49 AM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion ââ¬â John Hagelin, > Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer > > > Maharishi never authenticated other techniques as "guaranteed to be worthy" > -- TM being the only technique with 5,000 years backing it up; whereas the > others might be > impure-so-be-careful-of-these-seemingly-maybe-sorta-okay-other-techniques, > and that one had to be careful to have this long tradition or the effort to > spread the technique would not be supported by nature -- yada yada. > > We were COMMANDED by Jerry Jarvis to not attend lectures of other teachings, > because, "The lecturer will warmly greet the TM initiator's being in the > audience and thus the audience will ask itself 'Why is that TM teacher there > except for him having doubts about TM?'" > > Are you ignoring that dome badges are lost by anyone BUT Hegelin who would be > on one of Rick's panels? L.B. got banned, right? > > Hegelin -- why was he there except that the movement is reaching out in > desperation? > I think he agreed to participate because I was his initiator, so he has a > soft spot in his heart for me. I donât sense any desperation in John. Such > conferences are small in the big scheme of things, but rather significant in > the contemporary spiritual scene. Hagelinâs talks at that conference are > very well received. Heâs very diplomatic. He doesnât mention TM and MMY, > but people all know he represents them. Theyâre on some of his slides. > Heâs respectful of other teachers with whom he participates in panel > discussions. He doesnât come across as holier-than-thou. >
