--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> <snip>
> > Akasha:
> > > For Vaj, his view appears not-empirically based, or if it is, I am
> > > guessing is 20-30 years old. Which means that it has little to do
> > > with modern upscale club reality. And he appears highly influenced
> > > by media, fictional representations of clubs, like Bada Bing. 
> > > While there  may be a few Bada Bings in low population areas, or 
> > > maybe in low rent areas of industrial towns, its a very old 
> > > skewl, retro image. A dying breed.
> > 
> > Vaj
> > Nope, sorry, this is not the case. And your empirical experience is?
> > 
> > ====================
> 
> <snip> 
> > Judy -- a question of grammar. There are rules for determining what 
> > a pronoun or "declarative" (is that what "this" is?) refers to. 
> > Given the context of" Nope, sorry, this is not the case. And your 
> > empirical experience is?" wouldn' modern grammar link "this" to 
> > empirical evidence? Or is it simply (my) common sense?
> 
> I sure wouldn't try to hang an argument on it, Akasha.
> "This" could refer to any or all of your speculations
> in that paragraph.  My guess is that he was referring
> to your characterization of Bada Bing, though, or to
> the idea that he's influenced by media, or both.  "And
> your empirical experience is?" looks to me like a 
> different thought altogether that refers to the first
> part of  your paragraph.

Ok. I thought there some rule about adjacency of references. Maybe my
7th grade teacher was making it up. 

So it appears that indeed Vaj had no experience with either upscale
clubs -- the subject in question, or any clubs -- and does not base
his views on media representations. Thus, as I figured, his views
appear based on his imagination. In my view, thats a poor basis for
asserting broad universal claims about clubs  -- and global linkages
to sex trade practices overseas. 








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