Yes - I have been very scientific, so to speak - as in logical, analytical, consistent in my approach, given the limitations, the scope and validity of astrology, which salyavin in his reductionist obfuscation doesn't even acknowledge - oblivious to his own subjectivity which he denies, the fatalistic, determinstic approach of his reductionist, physicalism that he contradicts.
I have clearly defined the scope, the parameters under which I operate and the persons who received an astrological analysis from me were more than satisfied. And my goals from an astrology reading i.e providing a sort of therapeutic, psychosomatic relief were delivered even if the persons who I did the reading for were conscious and perceptive of my intentions or not. On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 3:19 PM, authfriend <authfri...@yahoo.com> wrote: > ** > > > For the record, it doesn't bother me if people are > skeptical of astrology--I'm dubious about it myself. > > What I find astounding is the *basis* the skeptics > cite for their disbelief--Barry because it's > "simplistic" and salyavin because astrology doesn't > represent the solar system as it actually is. > > Barry's obviously just plain factually wrong, and > salyavin doesn't realize his objections are completely > irrelevant. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula <chivukula.ravi@...> > wrote: > > > > And this is why I call salyavin an idiot. > > > > As tainted - his subjectivity tainting - his opinions, as deterministic, > as > > fatalistic as astrologers all the while arguing that such a subjectivity > > even exists. > > > > The contradiction here is by pointing out the perverse subjectivity of > > astrologers disproving his own beliefs in physicalism and the > reductionist > > model. > > > > What a fucking hypocrite you are salyavin, blind to your own > subjectivity. > > > > Go play or listen to music, write some poetry, love a woman - express > your > > helplessness, the vulnerability at the baffling, puzzling complexity, > > contradiction that is the life, that is the human consciousness - this > > complexity which neither astrology or your reductionist physicalism ever > > can touch. > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Ravi Chivukula <chivukula.ravi@ > ...>wrote: > > > > > > And salyavin is blind to his own subjectivity, hypocrisy making fun of > > > astrologers. It's the same subjectivity that taints all knowledge, all > > > philosophical thought contemplating the nature of reality and it's > > > implications. > > > > > > He doesn't realize that his beliefs in physicalism and the reductionist > > > model when taken to its logical conclusion would imply that we don't > have > > > any free will. As deterministic and fatalistic as astrology. > > > > > > But then the contradiction of it all reflected in his vehement > opposition > > > to anything that's not the reductionist, physical model. Where is this > > > vehement opposition of his originating from? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Ravi Chivukula <chivukula.ravi@ > ...>wrote: > > > > > > >> It is definitely very complex and it really baffled, hindered me in > the > > >> beginning because there were so many variables - some conflicting, to > > >> consider. In fact I have had to pare down the factors I look at, and > the > > >> scope and parameters to come up with a reasonable analysis. Logic > dictates > > >> you really try to have some good understanding of the topic before you > > >> criticize it and Barry, salyavin come up with some lame arguments > after I > > >> have really detailed a clear summary of some of the major limitations > of > > >> astrology. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 2:12 PM, authfriend <authfriend@...> wrote: > > >> > > >>> ** > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > > >>> (snip) > > >>> > > >>> > Astrology strikes me now -- and always has -- as a > > >>> > pseudoscience aimed at those who believe that the > > >>> > infinite complexity of human behavior can be explained > > >>> > by a simplistic system. > > >>> > > >>> It's almost guaranteed that the more scornful a person > > >>> is about astrology, the less they know about it. > > >>> > > >>> One of the first things one learns when one studies > > >>> astrology is that it's a infinitely complex system. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > >
