Nice post. Thanks for the feedback and insights. Comments below.
--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Akasha, I'm with you on this. > > I'm not going to try to address your points or bounce > off of them, because 1) it's late here, and 2) I'm a > compulsive straightener-uppoer, and I'd have to spend > a lot of time reformatting the lines you wrote to keep > them from wrapping and getting all ugly. :-) So what > I'll do is riff on your thoughts with some of mine. > > I am by nature a tantric, in the sense that I get off > on polarities. What I do for fun, and for spiritual fun, > is "surf energies," often the more polarized energies > the better. > > I *completely* understand your subjective experience of > having your tendency to objectify women *lessened* by > visiting a strip club. I have experienced exactly the > same thing. It is such a fundamental, yet counter-intuitive thing. I am not making a universal claim that this occurs for all. But my few visits to clubs have been a sort of de-objectification therapy. And not just that. Other "therapies" play a larger role. The sum of which has put my appreciation of women, particular women I recently meet, or women i seek to meet, in better balance. (Perspective and grows naturally over time with women I get to know.) Instead of the past response at times of, "I'd love to meet those breasts", physical attributes have become less important. For me they such were never the end all and be all. I have mostly sought intelligence and humor over looks. And I know all men say that in public, but -- what can I say -- thats how i am. But even so, there has been an immediacy of getting a bit impacted ("blown away"?) when meeting women. Or seeing women and seeking to meet them. Physicality has not disappeared, just the "value weights" have been evened out. > And some > of the stories -- about Buddhism and the pursuit of > self discovery -- that emerged from that brothel were, > in my opinion, quite high, as was the subjective exper- > ience of writing them. I have had similar experiences in clubs of "highness" clarity, expansivness (well maybe thats a poor choice of words) in doing various internal observation "exercises" I do. > Anyway, to your points, I think that different people > have different predilections in life. Some, like you and > I, seem to be able to immerse ourselves in an environment > that many consider negative and low-vibe, and emerge from > the experience higher and purified. Go figure. Others, in > the exact same environment, would have their state of > attention lowered. Go figure again. Yes, like I said, I am not making a universal claim. I just know what my experience is. > If you are of the latter predilection, no amount of talk > or intellectual explanation is going to sway you from > your belief that strip clubs are low-vibe and/or that they > objectify women or somehow demean them. It's a "gut" feel- > ing for them; their body just *reacts* to certain stimuli > in a way that, for them, is not positive. Other people > react other ways. Yes. There are some that I think will be that way almost regardless of the tesimony of contrary experince by some. > > My favorite singer/songwriter, Bruce Cockburn, yea, I have long liked him. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
