> > You two sound really paranoid - if you've done nothing
> > wrong what are you worried about?
> >
Bhairitu:
> This from somebody who posted under a different handle
> because he didn't want his real name to be associated
> with backpacks and pressure cookers. Now go figure.
>
Well, I figure nobody here wants their real name
associated with backpacks and pressure cookers like
some newbie did with you, but you don't have a real
name, just a handle.
So, I'm not convinced that our job on FFL is to fink
on respondents that do Google searches. What is it
with all the finks on FFL?
Maybe we need the NSA to collect data on terrorists
that might want to harm us, whether they are in this
country or anywhere else. Apparently our ally countries
can't seem to get the job done - there's probably a
terrorist hiding under your bed, or several hanging
out in downtown Oakland.
A major attack by al Qaeda? I thought Obama said we
hade won the war and they were dead; that we were
bringing the troops home. Mission accomplished.
Go figure.
Didn't Obama say he killed Osama bin Laden in Pakistan
and Andwar Al-Awlaki and his teenage son, Abdul, in
Yemen with a drone strike. You're saying that after
ten years we haven't won the war against the terrorists
yet, but we don't need a U.S. spy agency?
WHAT!?
> > The main business of the internet model is founded on
> > mass surveillance, like Google, Yahoo!, and MyFace.
>
> My Face?
>
> >
> > This sounds like another 'phony' scandal. So, yes,
> > you're probably as smart as an 8th Grader. LoL!
>
> I really don't think the "powers at be" like the Internet very much. Too
> easy for folks to expose their crimes. But the genie is out of the
> bottle and they are having a helluva time putting it back in. First off
> their own cronies are enjoying making money via the Internet so it can't
> be hampered and certainly not shut down.
>
> "Only a few right-wing crazies believe that universal surveillance of
> every American is necessary to US security. The National Stasi Agency
> will fight hard and blackmail every member of the House and Senate, but
> the blackmail itself will lead to the National Stasi Agency's wings
> being clipped, or so we can hope. If it is not done soon, the Stasi
> Agency will have time to organize a false flag event that will terrify
> the sheeple and bring an end to the attempts to rein in the rogue agency."
>
> Paul Craig Roberts -- full article here:
> http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/08/01/double-feature-bradley-manning-verdict-convicts-washington-and-hiding-economic-depression-with-spin-paul-craig-roberts/
>
> Roberts is not a conspiracy theorist but Assistant Secretary of the
> Treasury under Ronald Reagan.
>
> >
> > Besides, President Obama and James Clapper both said
> > that the NSA wasn't listening in on your phone calls.
> Anyone assigned to listening to my phone calls would be very bored.
> >
> > Are you saying that they lied to us? Go figure.
> >
> > 'Is Your Cable Box Spying On You? Behavior-Detecting
> > Devices From Verizon, Microsoft And Others Worry
> > Privacy Advocates'
> > http://tinyurl.com/mk57tz3
>
> Find the camera and microphone and disable them. If they don't like that
> then it is time for civil war. The latest thing was the discovery that
> Samsung Smart TVs could be hacked. Paranoia Planet behaved like all TVs
> could do this. Blame Samsung marketing for adding yet another gimmick to
> sell more TVs. The idea was that folks (the usual non tech savvy
> suspects) wouldn't need a computer to talk to grandma in Wisconsin. Of
> course they didn't exactly think out stuff that well (it was probably
> rushed to market to stay ahead of the competition) and a patch was sent
> out to keep hackers from gaining access to see Willy watching "Gomer
> Pyle" in the altogether. Of course that might be so disgusting they
> might give up hacking. :-D
>
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <noozguru@> wrote:
> >> I don't know how long it would take to write such a script because I
> >> have no idea of what Snowden's expertise is. IT is a little different
> >> realm than writing software applications. Most application developers
> >> have enough savvy to create interfaces required if the app needs
> >> Internet access. Most of us use cookbook solutions for that which now
> >> instead of real books are searches on places like Stackoverflow.com .
> >>
> >> But when the Snowden news broke a while back I mentioned on tech blogs
> >> that it might be giving tech company senior management pause to know
> >> that the NSA would know all their new secret projects, the ones we sign
> >> NDAs for. And of course that might concern more than just tech company
> >> senior managers but also those in a lot other sectors.
> >>
> >> In the civilian sector, I suspect there are a lot more moral sysops who
> >> won't look at emails. Not all would be that way but you do know that
> >> without the protections of being a government agency employee they DO
> >> risk getting caught by the SEC. And that would give many pause.
> >>
> >> We are actually fucked more by the people who don't give a fuck about
> >> anyone else but themselves. They are smart enough to know that religion
> >> is a sham and they won't be going to some mythical thing called "hell"
> >> if they steal. So they "just do it." That is the bottom line in that
> >> film I mentioned the other day: "Assault on Wall Street."
> >>
> >> In a world of over 7 billion people these smarmy souls behave like
> >> bandits in an "every man for himself" way. Screw the rest of us. The
> >> fact is that our establishment has no good plans to deal with such a
> >> population so they take that tact. Our world has been run for quite
> >> some time by a criminal mindset.
> >>
> >> Ask Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman Sachs about their criminal activities and
> >> he will tell you "it is just doing business."
> >>
> >> On 08/03/2013 01:08 PM, Duveyoung wrote:
> >>> Bhairitu,
> >>>
> >>> Okay, tell us: if you had Snowden's access and his computer-savvy, could
> >>> you write a script in about 15 minutes that would:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Find the rich people.
> >>> 2. Eavesdrop on them with software to filter out those who are investing
> >>> regularly in the markets.
> >>> 3. See real-time trends before the buys-and-sells are posted.
> >>> 4. Make vast profits exploiting the markets with the Ultimate Bucket
> >>> Shop Tool.
> >>>
> >>> I think your answer will be yes (with maybe a few quibbles.)
> >>>
> >>> If so, given that they say there are ONE MILLION "snowdens" with such
> >>> powers, how could anyone reasonably expect that that many sysops are all
> >>> certain to be sane, moral, and legal?
> >>>
> >>> Your answer: maybe 98% -- right?
> >>>
> >>> We're all being fucked by invisible dicks, right?
> >>>
> >>> Edg
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <noozguru@> wrote:
> >>>> On 08/03/2013 11:25 AM, emptybill wrote:
> >>>>> Snowden Warns Americans To Fear The Military-Intelligence Complex
> >>>>>
> >>>>> by Chriss W. Street
> >>>>> <http://www.breitbart.com/Columnists/Chriss-W-Street> 1 Aug 2013
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Unburdened by the Constitutional requirement to obtain a search warrant,
> >>>>> those nice people at the National Security Agency (NSA) have teamed with
> >>>>> Apple, Google and Microsoft to take time out of their busy day to
> >>>>> capture all your party pictures from college, intimate letters with your
> >>>>> lover and financial activities of your business in order to build a
> >>>>> "permanent file" for leverage against you at a later date.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> These are just the latest depressing revelations about the rise of the
> >>>>> military-industrial complex from whistleblower/traitor Edward Snowden as
> >>>>> he accepted political asylum in Russia today.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Snowden's latest bombshell, via Glenn Greenwald at the UK Guardian
> >>>>> <http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/nsa-top-secret-program-onl\
> >>>>> ine-data> , is the outing of the NSA's XKeyscore software that is
> >>>>> vacuuming up "nearly everything a typical user does on the internet."
> >>>>> The top secret program allows civilian contractors in the U.S. to troll
> >>>>> vast databases containing emails, online chats and the browsing
> >>>>> histories of millions of individuals around the world.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The NSA boasts in training materials that XKeyscore is its
> >>>>> "widest-reaching" system for developing intelligence from the Internet.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Snowden was already the "most wanted person on earth", but with his
> >>>>> newly-awarded legal status in Russia he cannot be legally handed over or
> >>>>> kidnapped by the CIA. Snowden remains a very "marked man," and seems to
> >>>>> need to stay in the public eye to avoid accidentally being assassinated
> >>>>> in some lonely hideout. Consequently,he will likely continue to talk to
> >>>>> the international press and appears to have more information for future
> >>>>> release.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Snowden's latest revelations will also add fuel to the intense political
> >>>>> revulsion to Obama's 18-to-29-year-old voting bloc that was the key to
> >>>>> miraculous reelection in the face of the worst economic performance
> >>>>> since President Herbert Hoover. This group has already dropped support
> >>>>> for Obama by a stunning 17% over the last seven weeks as Snowden
> >>>>> informed them that when they look at their cell phone, Big Brother is
> >>>>> looking at them.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The timing of the Snowden release came the morning after senior
> >>>>> intelligence officials testified to the Senate Judiciary Committee on
> >>>>> Wednesday and released formally classified documents in response to
> >>>>> earlier Snowden interviews by the Guardian. The testimony essentially
> >>>>> admitted that the FISA Surveillance Court that supposedly assures
> >>>>> Constitutional Fourth Amendment prohibition against unreasonable
> >>>>> searches and seizures without "probable cause" does not apply to cell
> >>>>> phones, computers and all online activity.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Obama administration, Intelligence Committee members and the NSA
> >>>>> yesterday continued to vehemently deny Snowden's most controversial
> >>>>> statement that: "I, sitting at my desk could wiretap anyone, from you or
> >>>>> your accountant, to a federal judge or even the president, if I had a
> >>>>> personal email." But Snowden's disclosures this morning seem to prove he
> >>>>> and thousands of other NSA contractors could wiretap any American.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But the training materials for XKeyscore detail how analysts can use it
> >>>>> to mine enormous agency databases by filling in a short "on-screen form
> >>>>> giving only a broad justification for the search", without obtaining a
> >>>>> warrant from a judge. XKeyscore then provides the technological
> >>>>> capability that once the NSA has the "metadata" of email or IP address
> >>>>> to perform Digital Network Intelligence (DNI) covering all forms of
> >>>>> electronic communications. Given that Apple, Google, Microsoft and
> >>>>> others have already admitted to providing the NSA with email and IP
> >>>>> addresses, that explains how XKeyscore was able to collected and store
> >>>>> at least 41 billion total records in a 30 day period during last year.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The NSA states: "These types of programs allow us to collect the
> >>>>> information that enables us to perform our missions successfully--to
> >>>>> defend the nation and to protect US and allied troops abroad." Some of
> >>>>> that may be true, but the Boston Bombing happened despite direct Russian
> >>>>> intelligence agency warnings about the militant activities of
> >>>>> Chechen-born Tamerlan Tsarnaev.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Daniel Guerin warned in his 1936 book Fascism and Big Business to be
> >>>>> vigilant against "an informal and changing coalition of groups with
> >>>>> vested psychological, moral, and material interests in the continuous
> >>>>> development and maintenance of high levels of weaponry, in preservation
> >>>>> of colonial markets and in military-strategic conceptions of internal
> >>>>> affairs." President Eisenhower updated that message with a similar
> >>>>> warning to fear the rise of the "military-industrial complex."
> >>>>> Edward Snowden has updated the message that Americans must fear the rise
> >>>>> of the "military-intelligence complex."
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> They want us all to be like chickens in a coop. We have crazy people in
> >>>> charge of our corporate paid for government dependent on Americans being
> >>>> apathetic.
> >>>>
> >>>> And maybe they are planning a fireworks show for Barack's birthday
> >>>> tomorrow. Maybe trying out their new EMF weapon on Syria?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
> >
>
