By famous people, I meant people like David Lynch, Clint Eastwood, Howard Stern, Donvan, Jerry Seinfeld, and so on, all of whom have been meditating in the 4 decade range.
L --- In [email protected], "salyavin808" <fintlewoodlewix@...> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > > [...] > > > > > > That's the thing that TBs never seem to realize about > > > their dreams of an "Age Of Enlightenment" -- how BORING > > > it would be. > > > > Do you really believe that things would be boring if everyone meditated? > > Things would be exactly the same if everyone meditated. Look > at this place, look at the TMO. I think the point is that *if* > you got your dreamed of AoE you wouldn't have any of the fun, > rows and scandals that seem such a motiff around here and in > the wider movement. > > > I mean, I'd expect fewer crimes and such, but look at the famous people who > > have been meditating for 40 years: are they boring? > > The only one I can think of is Lynch and I would definitely > say his career has been sinking to ever more anodyne lows > as the years go by. The rest of the long termers, Bevan etc, > don't strike me as embodying any values I would have associated > with enlightenment before I actually knew what the score was. > > I suspect you have an idea of what the AoE would be like but keep > getting it confused with mundane reality. That's the TMOs bad, it > keeps up the myth of a perfect life for all but has yet to deliver > even a glimpse for us to get excited over, seems like it's all > dogma to me - get the east facing house, eat the right food, pay > for the yagyas, get to the dome twice a day and voila! Or not... > > > > Creating a situation where you operate at lower stress-levels shouldn't > > make a lick of difference as to how interesting or uninteresting people > > find you unless it is the self-destructive impulses due to stress that > > people are finding interesting. > > This is often the way with music and art. And war has always > been the biggest motivator of industry, do you think we would > have got to the moon without the Rusky threat, no chance. Forget > Mars, and Jeebus, in what way would people spending 4 hours a day > in the dome make them more likely to build huge rockets. It gives > you *less* time to do stuff, the "accomplish more" thing is a joke > isn't it? > > > > DO you think that the existence of crime and war in the world make the > > world a more interesting place to live? What if we used those same > > resources to go to Mars or devise a better educational system, or a better > > Internet? > > > > Wouldn't the world be at least as interesting in that situation? > > It would be interesting to live in a fantasy world yes. But I don't > see any great discoveries coming from meditators, unless I missed > something, I think TM - fundamentally - don't do jack shit, you are either a > great thinker to start with, or you aren't. > > Would Einstein have discovered things quicker if he spent 20x20 in > a trance? We'll never know but we can be sure that if he got brainwashed by > the reesh he would have made as many wild unprovable and speculative claims > about physics as certain other "scientists" > I could mention. 50 years of meditation has failed *utterly* in this regard. > Hagelin has *not* finished Einstein's work. > > > L > > >
