I don't think the more in UC has to do with identity. I think in CC the identity is already infinite. But not perception, and there is duality between that and the finest relative in GC. In UC the duality drops away. In Brahman it drops away not only in terms of the first object of perception but for all of them.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... <no_reply@...> wrote: > > I wasn't aware that we disagreed on what the nature of that more is? Can you > explain, please? > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sharelong60" <sharelong60@> wrote: > > > > Doc, I agree that there is more to go after UC. I'd say we disagree on what > > the nature of that more is. Maybe it's like this: > > I am That CC > > Thou art That GC > > All this is That UC > > That alone is Brahman > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Doc, I think we're saying the same thing, simply using different > > > > language. I agree that the Me Self of CC and the Me Self of GC are the > > > > same, infinite, absolute, fullness of fullness NON CHANGING. > > > > > > **Although the Jiva is realized in CC and GC, there is further for it to > > > go, in realizing its infinite identity. So although it is in essence, > > > non-changing, in terms of our relationship with it, it DOES change, and > > > expand further from its state in CC and GC, and UC. Infinity becoming > > > more infinite, not simply in terms of its potential, but in terms of its > > > identity. > > > > > > > But in CC the relative is seen as separate and different, ever > > > > changing. Actually Maharishi calls the relative a mass of death, > > > > because of its ever changing quality. It is not until the finest > > > > relative joins the Me Self in infinitude that UC is realized. > > > > > > **Yes, although the dynamic is similar, there is an identity shift that > > > occurs after UC. Unity Consciousness is recognizing the oneness between > > > you and me. Still an ego-trip. > > > > > > **There are similar dynamics of transcendence and growth, in every stage, > > > as the Jiva matures, but each phase serves a distinct purpose, and it is > > > incorrect to say that the journey from CC to GC, is the same as that from > > > UC, on. So, we are not really saying the same thing, though both > > > descriptions are related, as being part of the overall process of > > > enlightenment. > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: "doctordumbass@" <doctordumbass@> > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 8:28 AM > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > I am sorry, but this is incorrect, Share. The movement from CC to GC is > > > > one of perceiving the finest relative. This gives the mind the entire > > > > spectrum of perceived reality to consider, but is not the movement from > > > > UC, onward. Both the "me" of CC, and the "me" of GC are the same. There > > > > can also be finest perception in GC and not a shred of UC. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > iranitea, I would say that this is a description of the movement from > > > > > CC to GC where fullness of fullness, the Absolute moves into the > > > > > fullness of emptiness, the relative. The Self in CC has recognized > > > > > that there is something else and the heartfelt inquiry into what that > > > > > something else is, fuels the ability to overcome the fear of that > > > > > emptiness. Of course under the influence of a soma laden physiology, > > > > > especially the heart, that emptiness turns out to be the fullness of > > > > > emptiness so not separate at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And would it not be wonderful if these concepts were not merely > > > > > allegorical but also quite literal, mean physical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: iranitea <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:13 AM > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÂ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Robin could have been in Unity consciousness, where similarity > > > > > > predominates, over differences. But that SOC is still relative to > > > > > > one's singular identity. The identity must shift to a less > > > > > > localized state to grow beyond the Unity SOC. The core fear of > > > > > > duality is still present in the Unity SOC, although the perception > > > > > > that this duality is an illusion begins to take hold, due to the > > > > > > incontrovertible oneness that the heart and intellect begin to > > > > > > sense, outwardly. > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.D this is an interesting POV, what you say makes sense (even > > > > > though, I don't know what is really the case here). But it does > > > > > remind me of a series of tapes - probably the spiritual development > > > > > course - where he speaks of the fullness of fullness, and the > > > > > fullness of emptiness (both he calls 'fullness'). Obviously emptiness > > > > > is synonymous of duality here. (I don't think he means the emptiness > > > > > of the Buddhists). > > > > > > > > > > He then goes on to describe, that the fullness, obviously Unity, > > > > > despite of the fact that it is everywhere, senses, that there is a > > > > > place where it is not,at least the possibility of such a place, > > > > > emptiness, and he speaks of Fullness moving because of the fear it > > > > > has of emptiness - Fullness is on the move - was the phrase he used. > > > > > I always thought, this is highly allegorically, fullness on the move > > > > > would be a synonym for Shakti, but may be it is borne out of an > > > > > experience, just like the one you describe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
