--- In [email protected], "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> > OK. I think you're suggesting that it's something of
> > an infinite regress, that one can be overshadowed by
> > the desire not to be overshadowed. But that's the
> > nature of the beast, part of why ignorance is so
> > sticky.
> >
> > The point I was making to Rory, though, is that with
> > me it's not a matter of having some set of idealized
> > criteria for realization, i.e., what I expect
> > realization to be like; rather, my single criterion
> > for realization is *not* having the fundamental
> > criterion for ignorance.
>
> Yes, that alone is sufficient to overshadow "realization" --
> denying the validity
I'm not denying anything. I'm describing
what is the case for me. That's my reality.
> ("perfection", is-ness, ever-presence,
> whatever) of your "fundamental criterion for ignorance" -- trying
> *not* to embody the fundamental criterion for ignorance.
I'm not "trying" to do anything. I'm describing
what is the case for me. That's my reality.
In denying
> ignorance (tamas), we cling to clarity (sattva), and get (as if)
> stuck inside the gunas, rather than remembering they are all merely
> ideas *in us* :-)
>
> > I don't know what it's like to be realized; I do
> > know what it's like to be ignorant, in other words.
>
> "Being realized" isn't "like" anything
Yes, it is. It's like being realized. It's *not*
like being in ignorance.
> -- other than (say, in that
> moment) Judy writing she doesn't know what it's like to be
> realized, but knows what it's like to be ignorant. :-)
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