So come on some of you Livingston Manor guys, What was infamous about Wally?
________________________________ From: Steve Sundur <steve.sun...@yahoo.com> To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 8:16 PM Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor it sounds like you have a pretty sophisticated game. I am more of a meat and potatoes type player with a lot of slams. my serve is decent, but nothing too special. and that is funny that you can go for years without playing and then almost start where you left off in a matter of a few games. I am the current champion at our Thanksgiving day tournament for about 7 years running now. (since it started) From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" <doctordumb...@rocketmail.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 7:11 PM Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor My serve is good - very fast, and low. I make good corner shots, and good slams, though watch for opponents' spins, too. It is like riding a bicycle. I can go years between games and pick it up pretty quickly, again. I used to play a lot with a Vietnamese guy, who played Chinese style - back from the table, and returned anything. Very rarely beat him. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: how's your slam? do you have a stronger forehand or backhand slam? or maybe you just play far back from the table? From: "doctordumbass@..." <doctordumbass@...> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 7:00 PM Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor Speaking of side effects from TM, I remember I developed an addiction at El Manor that persists to this day, for oranges, and french bread. Also, ping pong, but I'm not to the point where I break into people's houses to play. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: the course I attended was in Courcheval, France. I was in Livingston Manor sometime after that. And my memory from Livingston Manor, for the short time I was there, was that there was no heat, as has also been related by others. I also remember during that time going into NYC and visiting various U.N. Missions to make our speel. Often we would gain entrée to the ambassador or someone of importance. In my idealism, I thought that really meant something, but I soon realized that often it was just something to fill the schedule for them. You know what I can't understand for the life of me. Why the chicken kebobs are so tasteless in NYC. Sure, they only cost $4.00 or $5.00, but they are chewy and bland. I'd gladly pay $8.00 for one that was more tasty. These are the ones on the street, I'm talking about. From: "doctordumbass@..." <doctordumbass@...> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 6:26 PM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor I remember on staff, we had to set up the exercise wheels, and water bottles for you CPs, before program. Clean sawdust, too. There was one fellow there, a Peruvian, management wouldn't let him anywhere near you guys. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: yea, so what? From: "s3raphita@..." <s3raphita@...> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor I don't know if it's been mentioned on this thread already but one vital point Kapor makes about his time on the six-month sidhi course is that he felt he and the other participants were being used as "experimental subjects". That charge carries weight, doesn't it? These early learners were the guinea pigs for the TMO developing its course material. --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote I would be surprised if going to this event was OK with the Guardians of the Doors to the Domes. From: "dhamiltony2k5@..." <dhamiltony2k5@...> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Mitchell Kapor Yeah, the poor aggravated guy. Of course we know a lot more now than we did then. I was on that course too and it wasn't so bad. It was great actually. Would be good now to also hook someone like that up with a little vipassanaic practice along with the transcendence and then also cultivating more with that part in the checking notes about feeling in to the body more. That could all be very helpful to anyone going through their time of acedia. For instance this person, http://www.timeportalpubs.com/has long been very helpful these ways to the meditating community these ways. The waking down community here, https://sites.google.com/site/wakingdowninfairfield/ has been very helpful these ways too for people who suffer this way. Of course you guys left the movement long before what it is now as a meditating community. -Buck > >>>>>> Kapor evidently gets angry and >>>>leaves everything. Story >>>>> of his life evidently. And, you are using him as a witness >>>>> against something? You are cherry picking. Did you >>>>> actually read the Kapor interview through? Rick Archer >>>>> on his interview show about spirituality, Batgap.com just >>>>> interviewed a psychiatrist about this kind of thing. This >>>>> guy Kapor sounds predisposed in life to have problems >>>>> where ever he goes. 20 minutes twice a day of meditation >>>>> with liberal pranayama should proly be good enough for >>>>> him. >>>> >>>> >>>>Turq writes; >>>>Buck, you (or your altered-state ego) would have been perfectas course >>>>leaders of long residence courses back then. What-ever course participants >>>>complain of -- *whatever* it is -- itcan be cured by pranayama and more (or >>>>less) TM. And I understand. Back when I worked at the Regional Office,I was >>>>such a TB that the implications of how we were runningthose courses never >>>>occurred to me. We never -- NEVER -- gaveany thought to what we'd do if >>>>something serious came up onone of our courses. We had no liability >>>>insurance, no doctorson call, and no list of what the course leaders should >>>>actually*do* if someone started "heavily unstressing," other than >>>>theaforementioned "more (or less) TM and pranayma." Maybe more asanas. And >>>>definitely a checking. Everyone knows thata TM checking can cure anything. >>>>In retrospect we were incredibly naive, and dangerously so.But we had all >>>>bought into that core dogma thang -- "TM is100% life-supporting." We didn't >>>>have to plan for negativesituations because by definition on a course on which every-one was practicing TM nothing negative could ever happen.I suspect that some here will dispute this. I further suspectthat those doing so didn't spend much time on long roundingcourses, and by "long" I mean in excess of six weeks. Thoselong courses in Europe didn't have any liability or medicalinsurance, either, and they certainly didn't have a team ofreliable doctors on call. But of course there was no *need* for those things, because by definition on a TM course nothing bad could happen. The Laws Of Nature just wouldn't allow it. And if anything bad *did* happen, no problemo. Whatever it is, it can be cured with pranayama and more (or less) TM.Maybe a checking. >>>>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >>>>Buck schticks (at least I hope it's schtick): >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Kapor evidently gets angry and leaves everything. Story >>>>> of his life evidently. And, you are using him as a witness >>>>> against something? You are cherry picking. Did you >>>>> actually read the Kapor interview through? Rick Archer >>>>> on his interview show about spirituality, Batgap.com just >>>>> interviewed a psychiatrist about this kind of thing. This >>>>> guy Kapor sounds predisposed in life to have problems >>>>> where ever he goes. 20 minutes twice a day of meditation >>>>> with liberal pranayama should proly be good enough for >>>>> him. Buck, you (or your altered-state ego) would have been perfect as >>>>> course leaders of long residence courses back then. What- ever course >>>>> participants complain of -- *whatever* it is -- it can be cured by >>>>> pranayama and more (or less) TM. And I understand. Back when I worked at >>>>> the Regional Office, I was such a TB that the implications of how we were >>>>> running those courses never occurred to me. We never -- NEVER -- gave any >>>>> thought to what we'd do if something serious came up on one of our >>>>> courses. We had no liability insurance, no doctors on call, and no list >>>>> of what the course leaders should actually *do* if someone started >>>>> "heavily unstressing," other than the aforementioned "more (or less) TM >>>>> and pranayma." Maybe more asanas. And definitely a checking. Everyone >>>>> knows that a TM checking can cure anything. In retrospect we were >>>>> incredibly naive, and dangerously so. But we had all bought into that >>>>> core dogma thang -- "TM is 100% life-supporting." We didn't have to plan for negative situations because by definition on a course on which every- one was practicing TM nothing negative could ever happen. I suspect that some here will dispute this. I further suspect that those doing so didn't spend much time on long rounding courses, and by "long" I mean in excess of six weeks. Those long courses in Europe didn't have any liability or medical insurance, either, and they certainly didn't have a team of reliable doctors on call. But of course there was no *need* for those things, because by definition on a TM course nothing bad could happen. The Laws Of Nature just wouldn't allow it. And if anything bad *did* happen, no problemo. Whatever it is, it can be cured with pranayama and more (or less) TM. Maybe a checking. >>>>--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>that is an excellent description, Barry - I never thought of TM as a drug with side effects but I reckon that is what it is. Like a soma pill, with side efects! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>From: turquoiseb <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> >>>>>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >>>>>Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 3:30 AM >>>>>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitchell Kapor >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> wrote: > > > > So during the course nothing substantive was done for > > these folks? I mean beyond telling them to do more > > asanas or something? > > Depends on the course. On small ATR courses, no > nothing in particular was really done. On larger > courses, they might have been referred to one of > the resident quacks...uh...I mean doctors. > > But it was clear that no real effort was made to > help any of these people who were twitching > uncontrollably or having symptoms that looked > for all the world like Tourette syndrome or > worse, because the prevailing myth was always > "TM is 100% life supporting." No one was willing > to go up against that and add, "...for many > people, but for others, it may cause problems." > > Anyone I ever spoke to who was going through this > commented on the "Blame the victim" mentality they > were exposed to. It was always, "What are YOU > doing wrong that this is happening to you? We > all 'know' that it 'shouldn't' be happening." Just to follow up, Michael, > here's the essential conundrum posed by all of this. I worked for some time in the West Coast Regional Office of the TMO, arranging all the weekend and longer residence courses. On the one hand, we were told by MMY's core dogma that TM was "100% life supporting," and that it could not *possibly* have any negative effects. Simply can't happen. On the other hand, as part of what we did for the TMO, we were asked to tell the course leaders and course participants that while they were on the course, they could not drive, they could not even leave the facility, on longer courses they could not go anywhere even on the facility grounds unless they were accompanied by their "buddy," and that they definitely shouldn't make any important decisions while they were on the course because their judgment might be impaired. If a drug had that many admitted side effects, you wouldn't be able to sell it without a prescription.
