I absolutely agree with what you are saying. In addition to the factors you 
mention, there is also the track record the Movement has created both amongst 
the long time practitioners of TM and the general public. 

One learns, if one does TM for any length of time and associates with the 
people who run the Movement and the Movement facilities, one will get screwed - 
the leaders and managers of the Movement just do not behave very well at all, 
certainly not like people who have mastered "friendliness, happiness and 
compassion." 

The Movement has also demonstrated many, many times its unwillingness to work 
on common projects such as ayurveda with others who are not part of the 
Movement unless everyone gets on board with TM and the Movement gets to run the 
agenda - in other words for this example, the other folks like Vasant Lads 
people would cease to practice ayurveda and begin to promote Marshy Ayurveda. 
But I suppose that is included in their general arrogance and uncaring attitude 
toward what anyone else needs or wants.

And lastly the Movement has demonstrated time and time again it cannot be 
trusted and its methods of attempting to work with people and organizations 
outside the Movement typically runs along the lines of the other organization 
or people put up all the money, take all the financial risk, the Movement gets 
at least half the profits and all the praise and even then it is typical of the 
Movement to bail out on a project when its incomplete, leaving everyone else 
holding the bag. 

For these and the reasons Barry stated the TM deal will never catch on in 
public awareness ever again no matter how many celebrities David Lynch parades 
across the television screen stumping for TM.

Those like David who wish with all their hearts the general public would 
embrace TM and esp. TMSP should take the advice I gave a long time ago - break 
completely away form the Movement , distance yourself from Marshy and start 
fresh. Teach people without all the baggage - that MIGHT work, maybe. 
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On Mon, 10/14/13, TurquoiseB <[email protected]> wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Pope Francis technique
 To: [email protected]
 Date: Monday, October 14, 2013, 10:26 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
     
       
       
       
 BTW, Buck, before you go off on one of your Fascist
 "Gotta
 silence these neganauts on FFL" rants, I am *not*
 saying
 that the world would not benefit if more people learned to
 meditate. I'm saying that I don't think that TM has
 a snowball's
 chance in hell of being the form of meditation they learn.
 
 It just drags along with it too much "baggage" at
 this point,
 caused by the crass commercialism, the fake (or, at best,
 self-serving and exaggerated) "research"
 that's been used to
 sell it, the haughty and superior attitude of those
 teaching
 it, the incredibly bad taste left in everyone's mouth by
 it
 being so hideously overpriced for so long, the
 "add-on-
 baggage" of Ayurveda, S-V, yagyas, pundits and the (in
 the 
 eyes of most people in the world) laughable
 "sidhis."
 
 Then there's the all-important "hipness
 factor." TM is about
 as hip as 45rpm records. Ask around at any gathering of
 people 
 interested in meditation, and see what they think of TM and
 TMers. Price too high? You couldn't *pay* many people
 enough
 to entice them to learn TM, it has such a reputation for
 being
 low-rent and uncool. 
 
 What is needed is a non-religious (TM is anything but),
 secular
 practice with no Hindu trappings and no allegiances to any 
 long-standing Eastern religious culture, taught for free or
 for
 a maximum of $25, in one weekend, and with no attempt to
 rope people who learn it into any kind of
 "organization" or
 into taking any kind of "advanced" add-on courses.
 
 
 That can -- and will -- never happen with TM. In the
 spiritual
 marketplace of the future, it's deader than Maharishi. 
 
 Just my opinion...
 
 --- In [email protected], "TurquoiseB"
  wrote:
 >
 > --- In [email protected],  wrote:
 > >
 > > There is the problem again. Better get on the
 stick and
 > > price TM so regular people can afford to try it.
 TM is
 > > going to get left deep in the dust if they
 don't get going
 > > really soon...
 > 
 > Doug, with all due respect, that happened (TM being
 > left in the dust) decades ago. The *only* people on
 > earth who don't understand this are the TM
 dinosaurs
 > who are still so convinced of their own superiority
 that
 > they still believe they're part of something
 viable.
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