On 12/27/2013 3:53 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
*/I knew basically nothing about him, his silly posturing back in the
day being long after my time in the TMO. So pretty much the only
things I had to judge him by were his posts. And the posts, from Day
One, were insane. Stark, raving bonkers. I don't think I've
encountered a more classic example of abusive Narcissistic Personality
Disorder in my life.
/*
Robin is one of those figures that is frequently mentioned in TM lore -
the first fully enlightened man to come out of the TMO. Apparently Robin
hired a helicopter to distribute leaflets over the MUM campus announcing
his state of enlightenment to all the residents and students.
There was a query posted years ago on Google Groups asking if anyone had
heard anything about Robin, but there was no reply. So, he seemed to
have dropped off the radar. As far as I can tell, Robin formed a group
up in Canada for awhile, but it apparently blew up in his face. Ann
would probably know more about this. Apparently Ann was under his spell
for quite some time.
According to what I've read, Robin became enamored with the Ayatollah
Khomeini over in Iran, and wrote a half-dozen small booklets in praise
of the cleric. That alone would lead any intelligent person to question
Robin's state of mind. When that didn't pan out, as he expected, he
joined the Catholic Church to become a priest. Then, for some reason we
don't know, he came here after thirty years and started posting long
messages about Catholicism.
/**/
*/
He was almost completely self-absorbed, and didn't seem to give a shit
about the people he was supposedly conversing with (the "wall of
words" being a classic example of both). And he was manipulative to
the max. The more stories that came out about his past, and how
manipulative and abusive he'd been as a minor cult leader, the more
obvious it was that *nothing had changed*, and that he was still
trying to run the same numbers on naive FFLers. So I wrote him off.
I've spent far too much time with crazy, abusive people to want to
spend any time conversing with another one.
/*
You may be correct about this - Robin seemed to be attempting to recruit
some informants for his own use. He easily recruited Judy and Ann to
help him form a new Robin cult. There was some resistance from you and I
and from Steve, but he mostly ignored us and concentrated mainly on Judy
and Ann, who seemed to be his main enablers. They probably looked like
easy prey to Robin. Judy seemed to be really in thrall at his postings
and engaged him on many levels, seemingly to encourage him in his
recruiting efforts. That is, until he turned on her and exposed her in a
long farewell message, which Judy took to be a spoof.
*/
The thing that surprised me, however, was how some people on FFL *fell
for his act*. Some actually seemed to be able to plow through his
narcissistic stuck-in-his-mind egobabble, and some seemed to actually
like it. I wrote that off as, "There's simply no accounting for taste."
/*
Robin is a master manipulator that's fer sure. But, it's not a matter of
taste - it's a clear case of mind control. We've seen this in several
cases before, and nobody could see this more clearly than yourself. You
seem to be a master yourself - at recognizing master manipulators. All
those years of studying the tactics of mind controllers has really paid
off in your case!
*/
But a few -- most notably Judy and Ann -- actually fell for his act
enough to become *disciples*. They fawned over him like teenagers
stalking a rock star, seemingly unaware that the only rock star Robin
was the counterpart of was "Fat Elvis." I felt mainly embarrassed for
these people, and fearful for what their failure to see how crazy he
was said about what TM had done to them. The *lack* of discrimination
was downright scary.
/*
This still remains the case. Just read some of the messages posted in
Robin's defense by Judy and Ann. Apparently Ann is still in
communication with Robin up to just a few days ago,via email exchanges.
I wouldn't be surprised if Ann didn't invite Robin back over here to
discuss his "spoof" message about Judy. He'll probably return any day to
pick up where he left off. Go figure.
*/
*From my point of view*, Robin barely tolerated his groupies here. He
almost never had any long conversations with either Judy or Ann,
preferring to "save himself" for more classic NPD goals. He wanted to
"win over" those he perceived as having some charisma or personal
power, and "convert" *them* to become his admirers/disciples.
/*
Most of the time Robin seemed to be carrying on a conversation with
himself and with a few comments thrown in from the peanut gallery.
Mostly just soft comments, nothing that would really challenge his
sophistry. Judy apparently thinks Robin was brilliant and Ann seemed to
be still in his control most of the time. He didn't post anything I'd be
interested in, like yoga or meditation or stuff. About the last thing
I'd want to post comments on would be orthodox or even unorthodox
Catholic doctrine. I can't think of anything more boring! But, it is
remarkable how Robin sucked several of our informants into a long dialog
about Saul's supposed experienc on the road to Damascus.
*/
At this he failed miserably, and they laughed at him. Not able to
handle that, he switched over to Abuse Mode again, and tried the same
act Judy has been running for years -- yell at people and insult and
abuse them and accuse them of things *until* they respond by arguing
with him. He failed at that, too, and then when Curtis blew him off
and he realized how badly his act was bombing, he ran away and hid.
Again.
/*
Curtis certainly made some valid refutations of Robin's spiritual views
- but I could tell that Curtis was just not all that interested in what
Robin had to say. Most of the conversation seemed to revolve around Judy
and Vaj, with a few comments by Ann and Ravi. Another remarkable thing
about this subject is that Curtis got drawn into the mind control
attempt - even Curtis seemed to fall for the manipulation. Robin's is a
master at drawing people into his orbit, even if they are opposed to his
mind control efforts.
*/
Running away and hiding seems to be the only thing Robin Carlsen was
ever good at. The very *idea* of anyone being "jealous" of Robin
Carlsen just doesn't compute, if you any degree of perception going
for you. How could someone possibly be jealous of a dangerously
disturbed psychopath?
I'm pointing this all out again for the benefit of possible newbie
lurkers. Quite a few people on this forum thought Robin was crazy as a
loon. Some of them knew him "back in the day," and agreed with my
assessment that *nothing had changed*, and that he was as abusive and
manipulative in the present as he was in the past. They made their
views of him -- both past and present -- very clear.
/*
There' nothing quite like a cult leader scorned. Sometimes they will go
to great lengths in order to recruit new members to the cult: flattery,
threats, revisionism and ego reinforcement. The gullible are highly
susceptible to these kinds of suggestibility - the quality of being
inclined to accept and act on the suggestions of others.
*/
So don't fall for the sugar-coated fantasies of him trotted out by his
remaining two cult groupies here. They're still trying to find some
way to justify why they glommed on to and defended a psychopath, and
to put down the much larger number of posters who figured out he was
one within a few days of his arrival on the forum. /*
Usually, suggestibility decreases as a persons age increases. But,
sometimes an individuals levels of self-esteem, if very low, can make
them even more susceptible to suggestion. Psychologists call this a
"spectrum of suggestibility" which can last for decades or longer. When
confronted with the reality of their condition, these types of people
often resort to lashing out in order to defend their cult leader. Go figure.
