Re my rap earlier about megalomania, and about the need/desire to be "special," isn't that what this whole "conversation" is about? This fellow (I can only assume it's a 'he') wants to be considered "special" because he has some kind of stigmata. Swami G (who I assume is Gangaji) keeps trying to remind him that liberation is achieved by NOT being "special." He freaks out, but keeps coming back for more, because in some weird way, his being knows that its "specialness" is not making him happy.
--- In [email protected], Ron F <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * I think exactly like Jesus, not exactly the way you do. You say > this is a lower form of Realization! You cannot refute saying this, > you have put it in black and white. This is the threat I am fighting > - not against myself as a personality, but something bigger. > Please don't push me down to where I am not! > > G: fight what you want ..... there has been no threat against you > ..... No you do not think like Christ for Christ would not make > false statments against anyone ..... no one can put you > anywhere ...... it is only your own mind which is constricted ... > > > > * You cannot explain away Jesus and Ramakrishna, while it > is much easier to dismiss other saints, lesser knowns, and the > living, like myself. > > G: have not attempted to dismiss any saints ...... if you wish to > call yourself a saint fine ..... go for it ....... > > > * I am the easiest for you to dispose of. Now look at your > attitude toward my Divine Stigmata. God keep me from any sort > of ego or pride, as I speak of 'myself.' Even as I say those words, > Swami condemns me as being of a lower nature - as one is > never allowed to say, 'me' 'my,' 'I' or anything that differentiates or > separates. > > G: as far as the stigmata ----- show it ...... if it is within and not > for the world then Shut up about it ......... for you are using it as a > sense of pride...... if it is for the world then Show it ...... > > > * But I am certain, Swami, that your bank account is under > YOUR name and not open to the public to draw from. > > G: actually it is under the non-profits heading and no i don't > draw a salary from it ......... but what would a bank account have > to do with anything ..... again you are off on another side avenue > that has Nothing to do with anything ...... > > > * I am sure that it is YOUR clothes that are hanging in your > closet, where others do not walk in and put on. > > G: actually yes others do put them on ..... hahahahahaah > > * And then there is YOUR apartment, > > G: no --- am living at the ashram and Yes others do come > and go here ...... it is open for anyone to walk in ..... > > * YOUR car and the like. What do YOU say to that? > > G: it is used to pick up guests at the airport and transporting > them wherever they need to go ..... > > * There IS NO YOU? Shall we stop playing games here? > > G: yes it would be nice if you would quit playing games ...... > AGAIN RASA SEES A BODY ------ SHE RELATES TO A FORM ---- > TAKING THE FORM TO BE THAT WHICH IS SEPARATE > this IS the mind of Duality ...... > > in this Consciousness there is always first and Foremost > the Stillness and Unborn Presence of Absolute ----- the stilled > point and from that Shakti or world comes into play dividing the > Light into lights ---- sounds ---- colors ----- experience ..... the > interaction takes place as motion --- sensation ----- when it ends > then again the stilled vastness is all encompassing ..... the > motion is Flow ...... within this it is forever Not Two / Not Two.... > > When you are tired of playing games then Stop ----- and Be > Still ----- Let it all fall away ..... SEE what remains ..... > > > > * Will you stop condemning my spiritual state if I use > personal pronouns? > > G: who has been attempting to condemn whom ? > > > > * You have bounced me backward twice because of the > Divine Stigmata. > The first letter, you asked where is it now, what good has it done > to save the masses? (You don't believe in missionary work, so > why worry about the masses?) Today you ask me WHERE IS > IT? Stigmatists had PHYSICAL WOUNDS, and so, where are > mine? > > G: yes ---- and you have not answered Either of those > questions ......... > > Why is it here two questions are asked and you give no answer > ..... ? while you have asked and laid out charges and > questions and i have answered them all ...... > > > * Once again, you so cruelly and awfully contradict yourself. > You say that God - who is not physical is That, and you are That. > > G: yes there is the One Divine Essense of All Being .... > > > * Then when I speak of a SPIRITUAL METAPHYSICAL > UNSEEN reality, you say it has to be physical! If you can't see it > with your eyes, it isn't there! If it isn't bleeding, it's not real! > > G: you are the one speaking of Duality ---- Stigmata is within > Duality ..... those who have claimed Stigmata have had the > Marks to show ------- > > > * Here shows up a flaw in your knowledge of mystical > theology, (let us make a point here. Compared to Evelyn > Underhill, a '10' in the knowledge of classical mysticism, you > would be much lower. This is not to say you do not understand > your own > state, but what Underhill knew, you are lacking. You do not know > everything in this field! Better to be diplomatic than pretend you > do) where the Real is the Spiritual rather than physical, and the > Divine Stigmata comes in two forms, seen and unseen. I have > stressed over and over again - but it escapes your busy eyes - > that my Divine Stigmata is Interior, not of the flesh. Before I > explain it more let me ask you again, > > G: you may claim it all you wish ..... you can stress it all you > wish ...... if it is unseen then it is for Your edification alone ...... > > > > * 'Where is your Enlightenment? Can I see it? > > G: obviously not ..... > > > > * What good has it done for you > > G: am not in suffering .... no mental turmoil .... in Peace.... > there are no more questions -- > no more driving desires > no more fear of the unknown nor death ... for ONLY > Life IS ...... > > > > and how has it saved the masses?' > > G: that is taking place daily ..... it is a work in process > those that come enter into stillness > those that come are moving out of fear .... and daily > coming to more truth and steadiness..... > > > * Now the Divine Stigmata. If you deny mine, then you could > also deny that of Our Blessed Lady and St. Gertrude the Great > and St. Catherine of Sienna. Have you ever seen the image of > the Immaculalte Heart of Mary, with the roses around it, and the > sword piercing it, and the Light streaming from Her Immaculate > Heart? That is the Interior Divine Stigmata. But let me not cast > pearls before the swine. > > G: that is a representation as to put forth the idea of > her aiding and suffering with the world .... her > empathy and compassion .... > > * Twice now, you have denied its existence. Things you > have not experienced do not exist, do they? But your kundalini is > real, because YOU have experienced it. > > G: oh i did experience the sorrow of the world and the mindset > of the stigmata ....... but would never claim having an internal > stigmata ...... have said only that there was a flame pattern over > the heart area ---- which there was ..... > > > * WHERE is your kundalini? > > G: ended in completion ..... Shakti merged in the Absolute ... > > > * What good has it done you? > > G: 1 it took the me and tore it to shreds until it was no more > 2 it showed all the phenomena and how useless it is in > the long run..... > 3 it took this one to the point of utter exhaustion until there > was only Surrender left .... > 4 it took this one to the door of the holy of holies > 5 it put all the fallacy's in the face to be seen and confronted > for what they were .... > 6 it took Shakti the Power of the world - and the world and > merged it in the Absolute (where it dissolved and only > Absolute IS) > 7 It left the dead body and mind on the altar and put > Realization (Liberation) in it's rightful place > 8 It gave the Pearl of Great Price > > > * How has it helped the masses? > > G: it showed the path through--- the twists and turns > so that this ONE may also guide others through their > journeys --- it is awakening in many and is clearing > also all the illusions from their minds ..... > > > * We would have no argument if the following occured: if > you would show others the kind of charity I have shown to you. > > G: if what you have been doing is called Charity then we > have a vastly diffent idea of what that means ...... > > > * I have taken you at your word. You said you were > Enlightened, I believed you. > > G: no you haven't you may have said it by word but your > actions have shown quite the opposite .... as NO Enlightened > Being - would ever claim to be higher than Christ ...... NOR > would a person that had taken someone to be Enlightened ever > imply that they could think such a thing ..... Nor would you take > what is meant for your edification and turn it into some > misplaced idea of a put down ..... > > > * You have no proof of this Enlightenment, but one gives > you the benefit of the doubt. One proclaims you as one > Enlightened. But if I think exactly like you I would say 'prove it.' > Where is it? > > G: those who come and experience the changes that are > taking place in their lives simply by being around this one > KNOW the truth of it ...... > > > * You want me to believe you, you assume I should believe > you, > > G: no ---- doesn't matter whether you believe it or not .... > > > * and you certainly do not thank me for saying that you are > Enlightened; you take it for granted. > > G: it is simply a natural state of Being ..... > > > * But put the shoe on the other foot. Why don't you believe > me? Why can't you believe that I have the Interior Stigmata, if > nothing else? > > G: again if it is there then it is for Your Edification alone ..... > if it is external then it is for the world ...... > > > * Instead of thanking me for the article I spent so much work > on, you recoil when I say you claim an exclusive place. You have > claimed it and you do claim it, and it is all in black and white. I > have twisted nothing, changed nothing, just added my opinions. > > G: why should it be thanked ? what you write this one has > answered ..... the false charges this one has answered ..... > whether you believe or do not believe makes no difference ..... > if you believe then do the meditation and see for yourself ..... > if you do not believe then do meditation and proved it wrong ... > in either case believing or not believing and a couple of bucks > will get you a cup of coffee ....... > > it is never about believing one is realized or not ..... this isn't > a belief system like the churches have turned christianity into .... > if one Believes in Christ then they will follow Him ..... they will > walk the walk ...... Love their neighbors .... Surrender ...... Trust > God in all things ..... > > > * This is not motivated by anything but my search for the > Truth, so help me God. > > G: then be open and not combative ....... you came to this > place ....... you have been welcomed into this place ..... > > > May the angels and saints correct me if I speak wrong. > > G: May GOD correct you ..... if you believe you have cast > pearls before swine here then this is not the place for you > to be ........ > > but none have turned and rended you ..... there has been > ongoing aides and helps to open up you mind to the different > ways and types of Consciousness ..... > > Rasa Von Werder > August 19, 2005 > > Love - Light- Great Peace & IS > 0 > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. 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