--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "peterklutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "Paula Youmans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > I told Tom he was enlightened and he told me that I
> > > was enlightened, so there.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Haha.have you ever had someone tell you that you had reached
> > enlightenment? 
> > > 
> > > It's a lot like someone informing you of a past life you don't
> > remember; or
> > > getting the gas bill:
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > "Okeedoke, I'll take your word for it" lol
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Seriously.how does anyone ever know???
> > 
> > Objectively?
> > 
> > I belive MMY says that levitation is proof of samadhi.
> > 
> > I suppose this means that if a person who is a known TMSP-
> practitioner
> > repeatedly can take-off, hoover and settle down in a controlled
> > manner, chances are this person is CC or above.
> >
> 
> I believe MMY said that fully-perfected levitation (i.e. floating) 
> (or other sidhi) done on-demand at any time outside of sutra practice 
> would be a sign of fully-established Unity, not CC.
> 
> He's also implied that NOT being able to float at all is a sign of 
> NOT being in Unity.
>

Given your first definition, the second would have to be true,
wouldn't it?

Has any solution been indicated for the perhaps greatest obstacle to
successfull flying sutra practice - the surroundings? 

Seclusion far out in the wilderness as a way of life also for non-CCs
simply in order to remove the obstacles put on i.a. flying sutra
practice by the collective stress of society and other less
good-experienced TMSP-practitioners?









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