--- In [email protected], "peterklutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "peterklutz" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], "Paula Youmans" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > I told Tom he was enlightened and he told me that I
> > > > was enlightened, so there.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > Haha.have you ever had someone tell you that you had reached
> > > enlightenment? 
> > > > 
> > > > It's a lot like someone informing you of a past life you don't
> > > remember; or
> > > > getting the gas bill:
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > "Okeedoke, I'll take your word for it" lol
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > Seriously.how does anyone ever know???
> > > 
> > > Objectively?
> > > 
> > > I belive MMY says that levitation is proof of samadhi.
> > > 
> > > I suppose this means that if a person who is a known TMSP-
> > practitioner
> > > repeatedly can take-off, hoover and settle down in a controlled
> > > manner, chances are this person is CC or above.
> > >
> > 
> > I believe MMY said that fully-perfected levitation (i.e. 
floating) 
> > (or other sidhi) done on-demand at any time outside of sutra 
practice 
> > would be a sign of fully-established Unity, not CC.
> > 
> > He's also implied that NOT being able to float at all is a sign 
of 
> > NOT being in Unity.
> >
> 
> Given your first definition, the second would have to be true,
> wouldn't it?

Fully in Unity is not, as far as I can gather, the same as being in 
Unity (somewhat/someofthetime/sorta). There would be gradiations of 
maturity or whatever.

> 
> Has any solution been indicated for the perhaps greatest obstacle to
> successfull flying sutra practice - the surroundings? 
> 
> Seclusion far out in the wilderness as a way of life also for non-
CCs
> simply in order to remove the obstacles put on i.a. flying sutra
> practice by the collective stress of society and other less
> good-experienced TMSP-practitioners?
>

Don't know about less experienced TMSP practitioners, but there's the 
Vastu thing to consider, andof course, the claim that the Maharishi 
Effect exists and would have an effect on individuals during group 
practice of the TMSP.






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