I know a number of people who have paid thousands of dollars for yagyas of every shape and description, especially health yagyas. When asked if the performances were efficacious, the reply, in every instance was "I think it helped." Judging from the really ill individuals I know who had the health yagyas done, they didn't do shit.
And the real measure of whether such practices work is to look to India, land of the Veda. Obviously they don't do shit. If the yagyas worked like the magic the Movement claims, everyone would be healthy, happy and wealthy. It is not so. -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 3/15/14, Share Long <[email protected]> wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Students inquire about pandits during forum FF Ledger 3/14/14 To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, March 15, 2014, 5:52 PM Salyavin, it sounds like the meeting was for students and faculty and I am neither. But on a more practical level, I didn't even know about the meeting until I read Rick's post! As for health yagyas, I personally know of one young man who had a miraculous recovery, doctors' words, from a head injury received during a car accident. There are probably an equal number of examples on either side of the question. Which leads me to think that these types of discussions really come down to what a person WANTS to think, wants to believe. That confirmation bias that Richard mentioned. On Saturday, March 15, 2014 12:35 PM, salyavin808 <[email protected]> wrote: You mean you weren't allowed in? Ask them why yagya's don't work. If I was to seriously count all the money I know has gone into the TMO on the basis of Marshy's say-so that that this is the greatest power we know of, I'd be here all day. I'm talking hundreds of thousands of pounds, for nothing. The most recent I can't even tell you about because I respect the sincerity of the people involved and it was for a very sick person - who obviously gained no benefit from the many thousands donated. But how about the two recent yagya's for Skelmersdale to get some land they were after for their new village? around £10,000 each! Did they work? No, of course not. And the list is endless. Here's your second question, why are they so expensive? $5000 at least for a health yagya! I know people who have had loads. Serves them right for being so gullible you might say, but look at the belief system supporting it, it even has ready made excuses for why they don't work and reasons why you're better off not asking for your money back!!!!! It's a masterstroke really, almost Blofeldian in it's ingenuity. I could think of more but you get the gist. Basically it's a cranky old belief system that Marshy typically made so very seductive; being able to buy prayers to get out of trouble. Surely the last refuge of the desperate. And even though it didn't even work it's still an article of faith. I never admire unswerving devotion because it means you never grow. Can't grow in fact. That is what the TMO became to me, not an evolving organisation but a staid and dogmatic cult of personality. But great fun to watch. ---In [email protected], <sharelong60@...> wrote : salyavin, yes, my suspicions got aroused at that bit about it being private. I'm hoping the next meeting will be open to people like me and I'll attend and ask some questions. If not, then I'm hoping that Rick will pass on what's been said here. Just as I told turq that I don't expect 100% certainty, nor do I expect 100% transparency. But imo, there is progress in that direction. On Saturday, March 15, 2014 11:05 AM, salyavin808 <[email protected]> wrote: My response to what? I think Yagya's are a load of crap and I really think everyone involved should take a long hard look at what they are paying for: “But no, they can’t just walk to Walmart. They can walk around inside their campus; it’s about a square mile. If they were allowed to go everywhere, the distractions would no doubt interfere with their study and reading.” “We’re at the smallest group size now since 2007,” he said. “We’re under 300 pandits. When the group is larger, there is more bliss, more wholeness.” Even Fred Travis agrees with me that the TMO shouldn't be selling something they haven't scientifically proved. I don't know what everyone is finding unreasonable about me pointing out that fact. If it works, prove it, if it doesn't let the poor guys go home so they can do something useful with their lives. In any case: “Well, it was a minority,” said Goldstein. “We have been meeting with individual groups to find out what happened. We’re not talking about why. We want to take action. We did not arbitrarily make the decision to remove this one leader. It was a decision not made lightly. But it is private.” It looks like a giant step to not telling you anything to me.... But at least somebody there asked why they should support it if it doesn't work. That's what you should be yowzering about. I don't care what people believe, I'm happy for them to believe anything at all but when it involves people from other countries being roped in and caged up, lest they get "distracted", that's when I start to worry. Especially when the people doing the hiring are supposedly devoted to science and finding out what's going on in the world. I hope people ask more questions about it, not just about this incident but about why they are there at all and if it is actually doing them or yourselves any good at all.
