---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote :
From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice [Salyavin's] Comments in red.... Mine in this color Just a few more from me in this, erm, cerise (?) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : There are a few here, that take great delight in bashing meditation programs they do not participate in. Are we reading different forums? Who are these people? I see a bit of criticism of things unrelated to meditation, like the ridiculous claims of yagyas and world peace creation that have nothing to do with TM but arose as cash-creation schemes that are successful only because people brought into the belief system espoused by Marshy. Anyone taking a long, cold look at any of these add-on claims is rapidly disillusioned. I would go so far as to suggest that after decades of buying into the bamboozlement perpetrated by Maharishi and the TM movement to come up with these cash-creation schemes, most True Believers are *incapable* of taking a long, cold look at much of anything. Just look at Lawson's post this morning -- a huge, steaming shitpile of justifications and apologetics ALL BASED ON A LIE. Same folks that get pissed at others for taking attention away from them. These folks have nothing to offer - no skills, no abilities, no outside interests. They just like to create doubt, and confusion, to mirror their own. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king. Maybe people who have seen through something you fervently believe without any evidence is doing you a favour in bringing it to your attention? The True Believers cannot possibly accept that those bringing these things to their attention are correct. To do so would mean that they were w...w...w...WRONG. Can't have that. Their True Believerism is a perverted form of ego-protection. They have identified themselves with what they believe in so long that they cannot possibly separate the two any more. Any perceived criticism of the belief system/organization they've come to identify with as an extension of their self is perceived as a criticism of their self. Perhaps if they could convince just one person of their cynical and depressing view of the world, they win. Sadly, there is no way to convince another human being of the error of their ways, without providing an alternative. Sorry to labour the point but a life free of being ripped off by bogus and deluded holy men is a life of joy and wonder, just think of what you can find out if you aren't encumbered by dogma, there's a fascinating world out there. Naturally, I agree. Who would WANT a life based on a series of lies? Obviously, only those who have bought into those lies for so long that they would have to admit to having done so to admit that they *are* lies. Who was it discovered the gravity waves that prove universal inflation after the big bang, the pope? some pandit in a cave chanting 1500 year old poems? John Hagelin? No, it was someone with vision and freedom of thought to explore whatever avenue they wanted. It's that that enriches the world not new age foolishness. That, like all religion, holds you still and unevolving, not even question whether Your own ideas are correct. Some enlightenment.... I find it interesting that so far in all of this pandit kerfuffle, NOT A SINGLE PERSON HAS PROPOSED A REASON WHY THE PUNDITS' CHANTING WOULD DO *ANYTHING* OF VALUE. Not one. Not Lawson, not Judy, not Jim Flanegin/Doctordumbass, not Nabby -- NO ONE. Apparently that's because they are two seperate issues, which I find odd because if it actually works it would justify pretty much any amount of people chanting all day Indian, or not. And it's not even the whirled peas, think of the new knowledge for science if we could prove that somehow the gods listen to our prayers. That's the sort of thing that used to get me excited about paranormal research but there are only so many nil-results before you have to move on to something a bit more likely. That's because they can't. The ONLY reason they blindly support this fairly obvious form of modern slavery and cynical exploitation of the gullible is because of one word -- Maharishisez. I endlessly thank Stephen Hawking for the fact that I never completely took the flight to Marshysezland, if I hadn't read A Brief History of Time I wouldn't have questioned the biggest aspect of the "knowledge" from day one. Actually I'm a questioner anyway but his chapter on Einstein and the search for the unified field made me sit up and say WTF? on the second day of checking when we learned about Marshy's viewpoint. Phew, saved me a lot of hard work later on that did. This is why I never got on on the TMO, they think they know it all when really they are floundering in the dark. If you want examples I've got millions. It's the fundamentalist religious world view that depresses me and not the people that try and see through it. Anyone who challenges the people who make money keeping good folks like yourself in the stone age is fine by me. This also amazes me -- their inability to realize when their backs are against the wall, and that they are pursuing a course that will END the TM movement. The biggest failing in this whole scenario IMO is that they've obviously hired a True Believer (Goldstein) as their lawyer and mouthpiece instead of a real lawyer. Any real lawyer would have looked at the facts and advised them (the TMO in America) to distance themselves as quickly as possible from Girish Varma, his Indian Mafia, his history of being a rapist, and his ongoing scams to exploit poor families in India to use their sons as slave labor for their cash-creation schemes. These TM bashers have nothing to say in that regard, making the point, instead, that they are living proponents of a lifetime spent bashing TM, Maharishi, Guru Dev, Hindus, Indians, mantras, pandits, yagyas, and anything else that they attach their failed lifetimes to. This misdirected anger, is then meant to buoy the TM skeptics out there, with the result that they, of course, want to emulate the TM bashers, vs. learning TM. What a joke. For one thing TM strengthens the ability for successful social relationships. Compare that to a TM basher, who sits alone in cafes and his room, watching TV and drinking beer. What would your choice be? Pretty obvious, huh? You're going to have to help me out, I can't remember anyone here ever slagging off TM, it's just a meditation technique for crissakes. And we've all done it so we all know what it's like and how it compares to others (provided you've had the imagination and desire to learn new things enough to try a different technique). Just today, for example, I -- the person they're characterizing almost as Satan Incarnate -- made a post saying that I would have no problem if the TM movement was still selling only TM. It is what I said about it in that post -- a simple, easily-learned technique of meditation, and probably worth what I paid for it originally, $35. It isn't "the best," it isn't "the only," and it isn't worth any more than $35, especially in today's marketplace when many other forms of effective meditation are taught for free. *Especially* when it is being sold by an organization sitting on assets in excess of a BILLION dollars. How could they *possibly* need more money? What I object to is all of the cult baggage and "add-on products" that have been added into the mix, to cynically rip off people who bought into the original idea of TM "20 minutes twice a day" and now are being sucked dry for things like Ayurvoodoo, magical houses, chanting to the gods to receive their boons, and (the biggest bamboozle of all) being told that they will someday be able to fly. Apparently they have to sign a declaration now before they learn the "sidhis" that they are aware that it doesn't work as advertised in the vedas (and indeed in the lectures by Marshy on what the "sidhis" are), and they promise not to sue the TMO later when they're still stuck to Terra Firma or unable to walk through walls or read minds or understand the speech of animals etc... All of this stuff is Utter Nonsense. People accept it because they've been conditioned over the years to accept ANYTHING sold to them by Maharishi. So, it doesn't work that way. People are attracted to leaders, and those with full hearts. The ones that live in the dark world of criticizing everything, want others to look up to them, but they are consistently crawling around on the ground, making such a desire impossible. The other day I heard that the TMO was sued after someone had taken ayurvedic products while pregnant and their child was born with lead poisoning. Not only did the TMO hush it up, they still sell ayurveda as the ultimate system of health care. Talk about crawling around on the ground! Talk about a dark world! That's why I call it Ayurvoodoo. My desire is always education and knowledge and breaking free of rigid unhelpful beliefs and thought patterns. To do that you have to challenge what you have been told, I can see you are a long way from that Doc. But to make it easier, think of your own children caged behind barbed wire in a foreign country chanting prayers for the "benefit" of others. Being paid $1.66 an hour to do so, while the TM movement charges thousands and tens of thousands of dollars for the "benefits" they're providing. Something you'd be proud of? Pleased with their life choice? Maybe you would, maybe you think it's the highest honour, but you're in the crowd swigging Kool-aid so you can't be said to be objective. Breaking free of cults is hard and the TMO is brilliant at drawing you in with it's implausible rubbish. But we the newly free, will continue to try and help you open your eyes. Consider it a service. And -- unlike the TM movement -- we're not even charging you for it... Yup, it's important that people have a free help-line, though I may have to apply for a government grant to do it full time....
