Three words: You Need Help ---In [email protected], <mjackson74@...> wrote :
Nabby likes ANYONE who claims to be special, above everyone else like Hitler with all his Aryan nonsense. People here find that offensive for me to say so, but the observation is obvious. ANYONE who lords it over everyone else. Tell us Nabster, what is gonna happen to folks like me and Barry, Curtis, everyone who ever reviled Marshy and Creme himself when the Big M, in this case Maitreya, actually shows himself and takes over the world? Eh, what is he gonna do with us spiritual hooligans? -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 3/31/14, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... <anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: [email protected] mailto:[email protected] Date: Monday, March 31, 2014, 3:56 P Hey Nabby, why are you so down on Buddhists? A few sects of this tradition still produces 'enlightenment', though as with all traditions, there do not seem to be a lot of successes in this department. It does not seem to me that Turq is party to any tradition these days. And, for example, what does Benjamin Creme have to do with enlightenment? Has he gotten you closer to that goal? It seems these days that 'traditions' are going downhill in that the pursuit of spiritual values is taking on a more personal kind of search, and a more secular kind of search for the world's population as a whole, and the more medieval pockets of spirituality, the Christian fundies and Muslim fundies, for example, are actually becoming more isolated in this wash of change. Agnosticism and atheism are on the rise as well as religious persons becoming more non affiliated. From what I have heard locally, TM initiations have improved due to time payment plans and scholarships. The movement has been forced to change its monetary models, otherwise it will disappear. Religions, once the initial cult phase is over generally switch to a donation model once the charms of the leader no longer are relevant. This requires future generations of TBs to be programmed to feel this is a valuable thing to do. Also payment for 'special services' also comes into the picture from time to time. Religious organisations can be in a bind, because in order to preserve their special legacy, they are inhibited from being really creative and coming up with new stuff and new ways to say the same old thing, they tend to say it in the same old way, so unlike a business, they cannot survive on creativity. So models like automatic tithing etc., have to be programmed into the population. This also reduces creativity if it is successful because now the leaders do not have to think intelligently or creatively to maintain the organisation, if they can achieve a regular cash flow in this way. The big problem is keeping the population in the fold, because if enlightenment works, the person is freed from the whole illusion of tradition from which the experience supposedly came, but actually did not. Thus the survival of the organisation ultimately depends on its main benefit becoming scarcer and scarcer as time goes on. Instead of success, people are kept indefinitely in anticipation of success. ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <[email protected] mailto:[email protected]> wrote : MJ isn't the only loser who struggle with their success these days. When the Turq, in one of his usual rants against the TMO demanded to know how low the Initiations are these days it turned out that their income for 2012 was $ 47,8 million. Since this was published here we haven't heard a word about the matter from the Turq. Perhaps his Buddhist Overlords have convinced him to lay low for a while. ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <steve.sundur@...> wrote : You''ve always got it figured out Michael. Doesn't matter how many twists and turns you have to make, the conclusion is always the same. So what if the TMO has adjusted their message, or their pitch? That's what organizations do. Maybe the problem you're having is that they seem to be having some success. Let's face it, that's wall galls you. And really, I don't think you're ashamed to admit it. ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <mjackson74@...> wrote : You are both full of it - the TMO is attempting to tap into a new tier of customers and they are doing it in part to distance themselves from the Old Goat because they know he has become a liability. I know what you are saying, as to M's references to the Self, but they have never done an ad campaign like this - everything they do is a calculated move to gain adherents, money and like the idiots they are, create a "vedic" society. -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 3/31/14, steve.sundur@... <steve.sundur@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: [email protected] mailto:[email protected] Date: Monday, March 31, 2014, 12:19 PM Now that was a "good catch" Judy. ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <authfriend@...> wrote : Er, Michael, more likely the New Age got "It's all the Self" from TM. The Self has always been a TM thing. It's what you're said to experience when you transcend, remember? Boy, you are really out in left field here. ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <mjackson74@...> wrote : Oh my God! Its happening - pulling away from its Hindu and then "it's all science" roots and tapping into the vague New Age ""it's all the Self" hoodoo! These TM'ers are SHAMELESS in selling the nostrums. -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 3/31/14, nablusoss1008 <[email protected] mailto:[email protected]> wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: [email protected] mailto:[email protected] Date: Monday, March 31, 2014, 9:18 AM http://www.experiencetheself.org/ http://www.experiencetheself.org/
