> Hey Nabby, why are you so down on Buddhists? > Maybe because Barry claimed to be a "Buddhist" that studied under the Zen Master Rama for thirteen years?
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 10:56 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hey Nabby, why are you so down on Buddhists? A few sects of this tradition > still produces 'enlightenment', though as with all traditions, there do not > seem to be a lot of successes in this department. It does not seem to me > that Turq is party to any tradition these days. And, for example, what does > Benjamin Creme have to do with enlightenment? Has he gotten you closer to > that goal? It seems these days that 'traditions' are going downhill in that > the pursuit of spiritual values is taking on a more personal kind of > search, and a more secular kind of search for the world's population as a > whole, and the more medieval pockets of spirituality, the Christian fundies > and Muslim fundies, for example, are actually becoming more isolated in > this wash of change. Agnosticism and atheism are on the rise as well as > religious persons becoming more non affiliated. > > From what I have heard locally, TM initiations have improved due to time > payment plans and scholarships. The movement has been forced to change its > monetary models, otherwise it will disappear. Religions, once the initial > cult phase is over generally switch to a donation model once the charms of > the leader no longer are relevant. This requires future generations of TBs > to be programmed to feel this is a valuable thing to do. Also payment for > 'special services' also comes into the picture from time to time. > > Religious organisations can be in a bind, because in order to preserve > their special legacy, they are inhibited from being really creative and > coming up with new stuff and new ways to say the same old thing, they tend > to say it in the same old way, so unlike a business, they cannot survive on > creativity. So models like automatic tithing etc., have to be programmed > into the population. This also reduces creativity if it is successful > because now the leaders do not have to think intelligently or creatively to > maintain the organisation, if they can achieve a regular cash flow in this > way. > > The big problem is keeping the population in the fold, because if > enlightenment works, the person is freed from the whole illusion of > tradition from which the experience supposedly came, but actually did not. > Thus the survival of the organisation ultimately depends on its main > benefit becoming scarcer and scarcer as time goes on. Instead of success, > people are kept indefinitely in anticipation of success. > > > ---In [email protected], <[email protected]> wrote : > > > MJ isn't the only loser who struggle with their success these days. When > the Turq, in one of his usual rants against the TMO demanded to know how > low the Initiations are these days it turned out that their income for 2012 > was $ 47,8 million. Since this was published here we haven't heard a word > about the matter from the Turq. Perhaps his Buddhist Overlords have > convinced him to lay low for a while. > > > ---In [email protected], <steve.sundur@...> wrote : > > You''ve always got it figured out Michael. Doesn't matter how many twists > and turns you have to make, the conclusion is always the same. So what if > the TMO has adjusted their message, or their pitch? That's what > organizations do. Maybe the problem you're having is that they seem to be > having some success. Let's face it, that's wall galls you. And really, I > don't think you're ashamed to admit it. > > > ---In [email protected], <mjackson74@...> wrote : > > You are both full of it - the TMO is attempting to tap into a new tier of > customers and they are doing it in part to distance themselves from the Old > Goat because they know he has become a liability. I know what you are > saying, as to M's references to the Self, but they have never done an ad > campaign like this - everything they do is a calculated move to gain > adherents, money and like the idiots they are, create a "vedic" society. > -------------------------------------------- > > On Mon, 3/31/14, steve.sundur@... <steve.sundur@...> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield > To: [email protected] > Date: Monday, March 31, 2014, 12:19 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that was > a "good catch" Judy. > > > ---In [email protected], <authfriend@...> > wrote : > > Er, Michael, > more likely the New Age got "It's all the > Self" from TM. The Self has always been a TM thing. > It's what you're said to experience when you > transcend, remember? Boy, you are really out in > left field here. > > ---In [email protected], <mjackson74@...> > wrote : > > Oh > my God! Its happening - pulling away from its Hindu and then > "it's all science" roots and tapping into the > vague New Age ""it's all the Self" > hoodoo! These TM'ers are SHAMELESS in selling the > nostrums. > > -------------------------------------------- > On Mon, 3/31/14, > nablusoss1008 <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Monday, March 31, 2014, 9:18 AM > > > http://www.experiencetheself.org/ > > >
