---In [email protected], <turquoiseb@...> wrote :
Bullshit. "fuller stages of development" is just another hierarchy. "Brains functioning in an optimally healthy way" is another hierarchy. Both are mere assumptions. I think Share might have pushed Bawee's belly button. From: Share Long <sharelong60@...> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 2, 2014 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement: turq, I agree with you about the use of hierarchy. But what about using the concept of fuller stages of development wrt humans? This might even be measurable scientifically. What others have called Self just might be a label for the situation in which most of the brain functioning in an optimally healthy way. On Friday, May 2, 2014 9:23 AM, TurquoiseBee <turquoiseb@...> wrote: From: "curtisdeltablues@..." <curtisdeltablues@...> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, May 2, 2014 3:30 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement: R: According to Harris, by paying close attention to moment-to-moment conscious experience, it is possible to make our sense of "self" vanish and thereby uncover a new state of personal well-being. 'The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason' by SamHarris W.W. Norton & Company, 2004 p. 214 C: Excellent quote find Richard! What I believe distinguishes him from the Maharishi perspective is that he does not identify the silent aspect of the mind with a higher Self. This also corresponds with my own experience of using TM without the belief system. I cannot say that what I used to consider my Self, is the most important aspect of my identity. That move is an intellectual one supported by the belief system and triggered by the mahavakyas in Maharishi's system. Without that presumption it appears as just another aspect of a multifaceted identity cluster which may or may not be all illusion. I am fascinated by exploring this without the usual assumptions from the Vedic perspective. Excellent point, Curtis. One of the things I reject about almost all forms of spirituality I've encountered is that they're stuck in hierarchical thinking. One's sense of "self" is lower than one's sense of "Self." They build their whole philosophies around their assumption that the universe is hierarchical in nature. I honestly don't believe it is. I think it's relational. (For me to explain this, I'd have to trot out my rap about hierarchical vs. relational databases, and I doubt anyone wants to read through that again.) I'm a "hard social scientist" when it comes to which comes first -- the experience one is trying to interpret or find meaning in, or the belief system one uses to interpret it. IMO the belief system always comes first. It colors anything you experience. So if he's got suggestions for how one can avoid that trap, I'd love to hear them. Love your phrase "just another aspect of a multifaceted identity cluster which may or may not be all illusion." That's it. What TMers and New Agers call "Self" is Just Another Experience. Not higher, not lower, and possibly not even happening at all. :-) Just sitting and noticing. Another good phrase. Thanks for digging that up. ---In [email protected], <punditster@...> wrote : On 5/1/2014 3:26 PM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... wrote: > Any tips or insights, especially since you have a TM history and might > know the issues TMers might have would be welcome. > According to Harris, by paying close attention to moment-to-moment conscious experience, it is possible to make our sense of "self" vanish and thereby uncover a new state of personal well-being. 'The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason' by SamHarris W.W. Norton & Company, 2004 p. 214 --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com http://www.avast.com/
