On Oct 27, 2005, at 8:50 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: > > Yes, my take on this also. However, I believe the clue in all of > this to be Vaj's statement that the 'pyramid people' are seen when > one *begins* to transcend duality. And that some would seek > enlightenment as a further narcissistic tendency. This seems to me > to be antithetical, even impossible, with regard to progress towards > enlightenment, and full permutation of bliss consciousness.
Actually in western terms, one *has* crossed the abyss *beyond* duality...and there one meets the inhabitants of those who have just passed beyond. Some are resting, some are stuck. It's just that the level of integration is still very nascent...or he aim was entirely wrong. > > I don't understand how, on the one hand, we can grow significantly > towards a pure nervous system and at the same time maintain the > sense of self as isolated. The sense of self as isolated is at odds > with a pure nervous system. It all seems very ignorant, almost sub- > human. Or sub-Godhead anyway, which is really the same thing... I like Bentov's description of entering this plane. He first encounters a naga--a divine serpent--who blocks his path. Eventually he convinces the naga to open his mouth by flattering him. When he does, he jumps through his mouth and enters this nirvanic plane through the nagas digestive tract... He describes the plane quite clearly: "It's difficult to describe the good "vibes" and the all-pervading light. As you move along, you find high thronelike structures, all luminous, with people sitting cross-legged on them, meditating. Some angels are hanging over them, apparently for decoration. Bliss pervades everything. The people are totally unaware of what is happening around them, for they are immersed in their meditation, experiencing constant and intense bliss. Upon closer examination, you find that this state of bliss is caused by pure consciousness-the void flowing through their bodies. It enters their heads and flows down and out the bottoms of their spines. From there it flows into the Manifest Creation, which is located below them. You are able to examine the heads of these people, and find, to your surprise, that they contain no thoughts. The thinking process would interfere with and alter the flow of pure consciousness. These beings are drawing the flow of consciousness through them, but are not affecting it in any way." (...) "Nirvana, as you know," he [Naga] says, "is really a blind alley of evolution. People are interested solely in their own bliss, and they don't care about others. That's why I'm supposed to scare them away from here. But if they decide to come in anyway, in spite of my warnings, it's their right. They worked for it and are entitled to their bliss. However, they will not evolve beyond this." (...) You notice that the people in Nirvana are practically all easterners. "Yes," says Naga, "the West has not discovered it yet. And besides, westerners seem more active and tend not to come here." You find that by whispering sweet little things into Naga's ear, and especially by scratching him behind his ear, you can make him quite talkative and downright humorous. He has a good, dry humor. "Traffic has been very slow here in the last few millennia, and it's getting worse. Nowadays people care more for each other, and wanting to help the evolution of their fellow men, they bypass Nirvana. We are considering closing down the place or operating with only a skeleton crew," Naga points at his protruding ribs with a sigh." Bentov's two solitary works are the best the TM movement has ever produced. Read them and move on. He certainly did. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
