On 8/21/2014 3:00 PM, salyavin808 wrote:
---In [email protected], <mjackson74@...> wrote :
Aww crap! You gotta be kidding - chanting at the water?
That sounds like that Drunvalo Melchizedek scam back some years ago -
he was recommending this water that supposedly had been vibed up by
some sort of sufi dervishes or such like - I knew people in California
who were paying $400.00 a pint for that shit. One of the claims was
that a pint of this water could completely remove ALL pollution in any
creek, pond or even lake. The idea was that you would sip the water
over time and it would eliminate all pollution from your body. Geezuz!
Wow, a fool and his money etc...
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/"I have only been practicing chi gung for 2 years..."/ - Michael Jackson
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but I bet these were otherwise intelligent types. I know loads of
people who don;t have a framework for judging ideas, some probably
choose them because they are "nice". Go figure... I bet the internet
has a lot to answer for here.
Here's a weird thought for you; a placebo will still work even if you
know it's a placebo!
So did you get some healing from the chanters omming and ahmming over you?
Oh dearie me no, I always like the idea of nice experiences but I
couldn't bring myself to go along. King Tony's book is one of the most
surreal and odd set of bizarre beliefs and unfounded hogwash that I
have ever come across. I always consider that a bad theory raises more
questions than it answers and that book had me overloaded, it's like
the craziest bits of the world's religions condensed on every line and
it's all offered as Absolute Truth without a shred of supporting
evidence even though it contradicts everything else that we feel
justified in having confidence in.
Marshy described it as a truly amazing achievement, I couldn't agree more!
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*From:* salyavin808 <[email protected]>
*To:* [email protected]
*Sent:* Thursday, August 21, 2014 2:56 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy
---In [email protected], <mjackson74@...> wrote :
Are they (the UK Movement) actually using Marshy Vedic Vibration
Technology?
Of course! How could they miss the opportunity to provide
ground-breaking and revolutionary healthcare? And make pots of cash on
the way!
Not that they make much, because it's complete nonsense, and hard to
sell to all but the most devoted, unlike ayurveda which is a lot
easier to relate to so they don't offer MVVT at the clinics in the UK.
Instead they have groups of Indian Vedic "experts" who travel round
centres doing advanced techniques and MVVT.
Folie a deux I call it...
I mean do they have pundits or some such who chant the hymns to
effect healing on individuals? Or is it just theory.
Yes, or they chant at water for you to drink or at oil for you to rub
onto the affected parts.
I was on the course in Croatia when MVVT was introduced, they used us
as guinae pigs, we got a discount and they got the inevitable plaudits
for the brochure "I was filled with bliss and my aching knee is a bit
better!"
After the announcement and lecture on what it was all about I made a
prediction to all who would listen (not many) that it was an obvious
placebo and gave a set of statistics that you can always expect when
something isn't having any actual effect - white coat syndrome also
works for witch doctors, better probably - For self-reported niggling
problems (the sort of things people go the alternative therapists for)
you can expect about 15% to claim a marked improvement and a further
20% to claim enough improvement to have made it worthwhile*
I was spot on to my satisfaction but everyone else thought it was
great as they got good experiences - I didn't think that warranted a
recommendation because we were all True Believers on a long course and
it's the sort of thing you would expect, in fact I thought it might
beat the placebo effect slightly for that very reason but it didn't.
Some people travelled to the course many times to get treatment. Just
because something is unfounded nonsense doesn't mean someone won't get
something out of it and claim it's a new paradigm or worthy "modality".
*I can't remember the exact figures now so don't sue me if I'm a bit out.
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*From:* salyavin808 <[email protected]>
*To:* [email protected]
*Sent:* Thursday, August 21, 2014 1:19 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy
---In [email protected], <mjackson74@...> wrote :
One of my friends says that if homeopathy is real then he can go piss
in the ocean and his piss becomes the most powerful medicine of all
since it will be diluted to infinity.
In the best homeopathic remedies there is actually less than the
equivalent of a single particle in all the world's oceans. But they
claim it doesn't work like that anyway, something to do with the
memory of water which makes me wonder why everything water touches
isn't "remembered", like LSD or birth control pills, the human race
should be extinct or out of our heads. I've no doubt there's an
explanation. I've also no doubt it wouldn't survive much scrutiny, I
also think homeopathy will stick around for ever..
As for Share's outrage, it was just a fun chart to post - as others
here have pointed out, when someone is so easily outraged over someone
poking fun at their sacred cows, well maybe better to take a second
look inside, p'raps?
I think so, maybe a deep recognition that something is a cherished
belief rather than an actual real thing that works regardless of
beliefs or established ways of kidding ourselves.
The craziest thing I ever came cross is MVVT - Marshy Vedic Vibration
Technology. Based on King Tony's strange ideas about Indian literature
being "present" in human physiology, the idea is that if you chant the
hymn relevant to the afflicted body part it will be strengthened and
healed! Probably needs a category of its own in the alt therapy
periodic table.
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*From:* salyavin808 <[email protected]>
*To:* [email protected]
*Sent:* Thursday, August 21, 2014 12:04 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy
---In [email protected], <sharelong60@...> wrote :
Michael, just in case you're not joking: it wasn't an accusation. It
was a direct question. And btw, some of the items on the chart are
time honored modalities, like homeopathy.
Sorry Share, "time honoured" means absolutely nothing at all. That
people continue to believe things doesn't actually count as evidence
for efficacy. They may have all sorts of reasons for supporting that
which doesn't actually work because there are lots of much better
explanations for the apparent occasional effectiveness, the placebo
effect, reduction to the mean etc.
Homeopathy is 100% placebo and bedside manner, the concoctions do
absolutely nothing because they are absolutely nothing - by design.
Maybe that counts as a health "modality" in some circles but it isn't
good enough for me.
On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:59 AM, "Share Long sharelong60@...
[FairfieldLife]" <[email protected]> wrote:
Michael, are you being paid by Big Pharma?!
On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:47 AM, "Michael Jackson mjackson74@...
[FairfieldLife]" <[email protected]> wrote:
What everyone on FFL needs on their wall
http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html
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The Reason Stick: A Handy Alternative Therapy Flowchart
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Believe it or not, I don't really have a particular interest in
alternative therapies, I just can't help picking at the scabs of
alt-med credulity.
View on crispian-jago.blogspot...
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