On 8/26/2014 5:37 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote:
Dearest Share and Richard,
Desire is good.
Desire for Enlightenment.
No regrets, hear?
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Dan, you are a fast reader - better to let this one sink in slowly:
Because the desire to prevent desiring more than will be attained is
itself unconsciously desired too much. For whenever one desires to stop
'desiring more than will be attained', this additional, deeper desire
also becomes a desire for more stopping than will be attained. Thus this
additional, deeper desire requires its own additional, still deeper
desire to stop desiring more stopping than will be attained. You are
only going to get as much enlightenment as you are going to get.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <punditster@...> wrote :
On 8/26/2014 9:38 AM, Share Long sharelong60@...
<mailto:sharelong60@...> [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Thanks, Richard, cool info. I once heard from a friend that we can
fulfill those less than wonderful desires in dream state. And that
counts too but doesn't, I guess, accrue any negative karma.
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It is obviously counter-productive to desire to be enlightened more
than one is going to be enlightened. Desiring more than one is going
to get leads to frustration, lamentation, and grief. It is impossible
to to stop desiring, and at a more subtle level, it is fruitless to
want to stop desiring more than one is going to stop desiring,
relative to wanting to stop wanting.
According to Professor A.J. Bahm, these practical difficulties do not
invalidate the principle of wanting to attain a state of
desirelessness, they merely indicate desire's universality, the
subtlety with which it operates, the reason why it is commonly
misunderstood, and the need for a special meditation to bring it into
manageable operation.
Base desire also works subtly, not merely because desires are
emotively imprecise, but especially because the desire to prevent
desiring more than will be attained is itself unconsciously desired
too much. For whenever one desires to stop 'desiring more than will
be attained', this additional, deeper desire also becomes a desire for
more stopping than will be attained. Thus this additional, deeper
desire requires its own additional, still deeper desire to stop
desiring more stopping than will be attained.
You are not going to get any more enlightenment than you are going to
get. When you realize this, you will be free and there won't be any
more stress. Any time there is stress there is wanting - even if it is
wanting less stress. The answer to this riddle is actually very simple
when you think about it.
According to Bahm, /"He who finally gives up trying to solve the
problem of frustration, thereby becoming willing to accept his desires
and frustrations for what they are, finds the problem solved."/
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On Monday, August 25, 2014 9:16 PM, "'Richard J. Williams'
punditster@... <mailto:punditster@...> [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
On 8/25/2014 8:59 PM, s3raphita@... <mailto:s3raphita@...>
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Re"I have never met a single TM'er who could honestly say they had
fulfilled all desires":
And yet, . . ., and yet . . . Isn't it the case that *when you are
meditating* you often enter a state in which your quotidian desires
no longer impinge on your consciousness and you are happy to remain
just where you are. True, one could say the same thing about being
asleep, but Indian philosophers have often taken the deep sleep state
as a paradigm for enlightenment. No desires = fulfillment of desires.
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In /Tibetan Dream Yoga/, maintaining full consciousness while in the
dream state is part of Dzogchen training. This training is described
by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche as /'Rigpa Awareness'./ Lucid dreaming is
secondary to the experience of '/Diamond Light'/. Rigpa Awareness is
very similar to 'witnessing sleep' in TM, which helps the individual
understand the unreality of waking consciousness as phenomena.
Apparently the EEG patterns are the same in Rigpa Awareness as in TM.
Read more:
'Tibetan Yoga Of Dream And Sleep'
by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche
Snow Lion, 1998
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