--- In [email protected], akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "bmorry2000" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Do some research on "partial birth abortion."
> > > 
> > > This will help you to decide what a baby looks like....in case 
you 
> > > are not sure.
> > > 
> > > P.S.  In response to others: naturally ejaculated sperm, 
> > > menstruation (where an unfertilize egg is discarded), and 
> > > spontaneous miscarriage are not violently induced--like legal 
> > > abortion.  Again, refer to the literature on partial birth 
abortion.
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > So are you against all abortion -- as implied in previous posts? 
Or
> > are you only opposed to partial-birth abortions? Or are you 
opposed to
> > both but playing bait and switch / strawman games?
> > 
> > If "violently induced" is your criteria for opposing abortion, 
then
> > you would appear to approve of the use of the morning after pill 
and
> > the oral abortion pill.
> >
> 
> ========
> 
> 
> Can anyone clarify with direct or spousal experience: Are abortions 
in
> the first trimester, particulary by second month, "violent" in 
nature.
> Is "violent induction" a reasonable and fair way to describe such
> early term abortions?
>

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I think abortion is a violent act also when done in the early stages. 
But mild compared to other sorts of violence that is abundant in 
human societies. To be born as an unwanted child to parents who are 
not capable or fully willing of  taking proper care of their off-
spring is the recipe for making violently acting individuals. I am 
much more concerned about this more brutal violence in society and 
how to diminish it. 

I respect every woman's right to determine if she wants to have a 
child or not. Abundant societal support for young mothers or families 
would help to enhance the desire to raise an unexpected child.

In societies where women are in low position and where they are 
valued only as mothers, children are not wanted as themselves, but as 
a means to get appreciation and someone to take care of you. Good 
education and free abortion for women are good medicines in those 
circumstances.

Irmeli







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