--- In [email protected], akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "Paula Youmans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Can anyone clarify with direct or spousal experience: Are 
abortions in
> > the first trimester, particulary by second month, "violent" in 
nature.
> > Is "violent induction" a reasonable and fair way to describe such
> > early term abortions? 
> > 
> > That's kind of a weird question.
> 
> Well it was kind of a wierd claim implying that all abortions are
> violent. It doesn't ring true. Thus the wierd question -- to 
> clarify.

And another thought on "violence"--giving birth is
the most violent natural event the human body can
undergo, both for the mother and the baby.

Many miscarriages--spontaneous abortions--are
similarly violent, especially at later stages of
the pregnancy, much more so than a first-trimester
abortion.

The "violence" objection *per se* is a canard.
It's an underhanded appeal to the emotions,
entirely independent of fact and logic.

That's not to say there are no legitimate
objections, just that this one is not at all
straightforward.

However, all the legitimate objections have to
do with *beliefs*, not with knowable, clearcut
facts.  (Nothing wrong with an objection based on
belief as long as one doesn't try to disguise it
as factual, of course.)






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