---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote : It seems to me that the best thing you could do with "quitters" is to (dare I say it) QUIT reading them. I don't know about MJ and Salyavin, but I'm not here "selling" anything. I write for the fun of it, and to express my opinion. I don't much give a fuck whether you share my opinion or hate it, and I'm not trying to persuade you to share it. It's just an opinion...that and a buck-fifty will get you a bad cuppa Java at Starbucks. I (again, I can't speak for MJ and Sal) am also never offended by anything said here. Amused, yes. Incredulous, yes. Offended, never. In contrast, Buck, you and the others you're preaching your doctrine to seem to get offended a LOT. After all, you seem to spend the majority of your FFL time reading these people you consider not a part of your community, calling them names like "quitters," and complaining about them. In between saying how this is all because you pity them because they're just not as evolved and "special" as you are, of course. Pardon me for suggesting it, but if you don't like the stuff we write here, wouldn't be a better use of your time and energy just to STOP READING THE STUFF WE WRITE? Do less, accomplish more. Just sayin'... :-) But that wouldn't accomplish what they want, they want us to leave because we remind them that there is another world outside of their own POV, and that's dangerous to cults, you need group conformity to survive. What group with a radically different worldview from the norm - whether it's a religion or a political group - can stand having naysayers amongst there number? Who, exactly wants you "to leave"? Leave where, FFL? And who, exactly, do you think is so offended by those who don't tow the Movement line here? Am I a TM advocate or a naysayer on the subject? Be a little scientific here and be more specific. You're speaking in general terms and also jumping to conclusions about how important you think you and MJ and bawee are in the minds of those who still meditate or live in FF and the reactive effect you have on them. Nobody is losing any sleep over the fact that MJ calls MMY "an old goat". It's how you know you are somewhere unhealthy if someone says you can't read and say what you like. Or try and belittle, insult or misquote you if they don't like what you think. A sane society supports all its members whatever their philosophical stripe. MJ and bawee do this all the time to the "TM sycophants" here and, in addition, bawee does it to anyone who disagrees with him. I can't speak for Turq or MJ but I'm here coz it's fun. And because we are all from the TMO at some point, in some depth, we share knowledge of what it means and it's interesting to see how far away or close to it some people still are. And I want to know what's going on back in my spiritual alma mater, aint nothing wrong with that. I pity those who pity me though but I understand them at least, because I was them once, at least part of the way there. And that's interesting to look back on and thank my lucky stars that I got away! Wow, you really are that afraid of the effect of the Movement? I guess those who were in the deepest feel the most relief for having "got(ten) away". TM and MIU were just a blip in my life, no big deal either way. From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 1:59 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: When one starts TM, cruder values are replaced by finer values, speech is less sharp Thanks You Pundit-sir, for defending the honour of all us transcendentalists left here on FFL. In fact I have great empathy for both MJ and Turqb in their state. It does not follow though that I must see their POV's as 'valid expression of life'. I'd sit and drink strong coffee or whiskey with either of them down a Paradiso Cafe or Revelations if ever they were to visit Fairfield, Iowa; they have mindsets, we have shared experience with the TM movement and I understand where they are at but clearly the current range of their spiritual experience diverges from a larger spiritual validity of life that is our experience here in Fairfield. They simply are no longer part of our community. Quitters. That is pitiable. I can understand their POV though unlike Xenophaneros Anartaxius here I do not find their POV necessarily life supporting but pitiable at best. In empathy I feel for them a lot and that is the sweet truth, -Buck in [meditating] Fairfield, Iowa punditster...wrote : MJ: > What a crock of nonsense. What a big load of baloney. anartaxius@...> wrote : > EMPATHY: the ability to understand and share the feelings of another. If you have empathy, then you ought to be able to understand and share the feelings by MJ and Turq, and see their point of view as a valid expression of life. > We understand that what MJ and Barry are posting is a crock of nonsense. It's not that we don't understand them, we just recognize them for what they are: sellers of nostrums and baloney claiming to know what's good for us and what we should think. > According to some posters here I have no feelings, so you can skip me. If you look at the universe at large, observing how it operates, it really does not seem to have feelings either, it just rolls on and on, steam-rolling everything in its path. As if it did not know what it was doing. 'Empathy is the experience of understanding another person's condition from their perspective. You place yourself in their shoes and feel what they are feeling. Empathy is known to increase prosocial (helping) behaviors. While American culture might be socializing people into becoming more individualistic rather than empathic, research has uncovered the existence of "mirror neurons," which react to emotions expressed by others and then reproduce them.' Groups are notorious for lack of empathy when a member of the group begins to behave and believe differently from the collective norm.
