Curtis, I understand your desire to somehow get in touch with the more real
personality underneath "Buck's" faux personality, but I honestly don't think
there is one any more.
I mean, we're talking about someone who is still so guru-whipped at his age
that the only way he can bring himself to question the TMO is to hide behind a
faux Stephen Colbert-like fictional persona, albeit one without any of
Colbert's intelligence or comic timing.
If he can't be honest enough to be Doug Hamilton and express what Doug Hamilton
thinks, I have to write him off as not worth the effort. Because *nothing*
about "Buck" interests me in the least.
From: "[email protected] [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 3:55 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: A Cultural Survey, Maharishi on Not Speaking
Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
Buck,
Your contrived persona is obscuring your POV. I have some sympathy for your
concerns with a movement that you have invested so much in and rightfully
believe your have a right to direct its course. I see your good intentions, and
think I even get some, but not all, of the faux personality you are projecting
and a more real one underneath. (Although you have blurred the lines too much
for me to be sure about any of that.)
But you are coming up against what is for me an intractable problem with
Maharishi's premises. In his system: there is only one king and that was him
and now he is dead. Although he gave lip service to Guru Dev, he was not
constrained by any of that tradition and did whatever he wanted to with his
movement. He was fully empowered to make it what it became. The leaders in the
movement do not have that freedom. They cannot amend any of the long standing
policies of their leader who in the end was not the nicest guy. He was a power
broker, a user of people he believed were lower in consciousness than himself,
and he had a vocal contempt for the principles of democracy.
You are living a contradiction that is poetically expressed in your two
personas here. Your natural instinct as an adult is to determine your future
with your own values. But you are involved in a dysfunctional group who does
not respect your adulthood.
People who hate what critics of the movement write here frame it in terms of
negativity. But speaking for myself, I write from the perspective of hope. I
was once trapped as you are by a system of thought that limited my personal
growth as a self determined adult. Freeing myself from that system began the
most exciting journey of self discovery of my life. It is MY life.
Most of the time I just say, if you dig TM and the movement, good for you, you
found something you value. But you are a conflicted soul Buck. And you are
trying to change a system that prides itself in not deviating on iota from the
MASTER'S wishes, even after death. When I was in TM I embraced it all and I
changed my mind to fit Maharishi's mindset. But you are much older than I was
and I can't imagine that this is really possible for you. You have become
spiritually eclectic far beyond what is permissible in TM as you found out with
the badge issues. You are your own man in a group who will never respect you
for that.
Is there anything more odious than unsolicited advice? Well we both have a bit
of history here of offering it to each other anyway so I guess that ship
sailed. So here it goes:
I think you have grown out of TM and its limited mindset. Good luck.
---In [email protected], <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :
What has it meant? Culturally this sanctioning of blindness has allowed some
really badethical behavior to go unchecked. In the marketplace TM it seems
iswell known for things not being right around money, sex and power.“Never
entertain negativity” is a root of silence in its culturewhich has allowed,
coerced, and condoned some really poor and evenappalling ethical standards in a
group of people. That would be myobservation. It is said that change comes from
within. Thereevidently is a lot of movement going on right now in the new
TMMovement. I can see a hope for a better TM movement in process, like in
changing or even getting rid of this ethos as an administrative policy
tool.-Buck in the Dome
FW: A Cultural Survey..
"Never entertainnegativity".
Would you be so kind as to give us yourunderstanding of what this phrase has
meant to you and how yourunderstanding has impacted your life. And if you wish
to asksomeone else their view on this phrase and submit it with yours,
thatwould be great.
Dear friends,
..on acommittee, the Shifting Cultural Attitudes Subcommittee for theMental
Health Alliance here in Fairfield I am working with a subgroup of that
committee, the Cultural Committee, on one particulararea right now. Which is to
understand the meaning of phrases thathave become a part of our local culture
here. There are phrases whichmean many things to many here. Some of these
meanings may have leadto an erosion in mental health.I have written this group
as asmattering of a cross-culture living here to get your understandingof the
phrase, "Never entertain negativity".
Would yoube so kind as to give us your understanding of what this phrase
hasmeant to you and how your understanding has impacted your life.And if you
wish to ask someone else their view on this phrase andsubmit it with yours,
that would be great.
Thank you,
# #
The 1980 Pledge. Things in TM did seem to change from about thento become some
lot about some theocratic sense of fealty and a lot lessas to merit and
performance. Is noteworthy that the Saha Nav hymn wasextracted up to become a
normative organizational code of conduct in an oath then (1980).
C:The context is his teachers who were bitching about each other.Maharishi
wants them to get back to work pitching his product andSTFU about their
personality problems with each other.
Quotefrom Upanishads, which was used in Vedic Atom Pledge (1980)
Letus be together,
Letus eat together,
Letus be vital together,
Letus be radiating truth, radiating the light of life,
Nevershall we denounce anyone, never entertain negativity.
Culture: Nevershall we denounce anyone, never entertain negativity.Suchthat
within the culture of TM the TM negativity policy like with the TMSaha Nav Hymn
for instance, if someone commits a larceny within anelement of the organization
then by the teachings it would beentertaining negativity to administratively
examine that action inanother person or within such element of an organization
by others. Or let ussay hypothetically that someone commits some abusive
harassmentwithin an organizational element using some position of power over
someone itwould be committing a negativity to raise or consider that
situationfor the negativity that it should engage. Organizationally it
wouldmight even be communally better from a spiritual energetic standpointas to
negativity than having to denounce anyone thence to extend thisteaching and
hence better to remove the complaining negativity froman element organization;
could be solved by simply removingcomplainant who got exploited, packing their
bags, and thus alleviate the possibility ofwidely entertaining such negativity
altogether in the group. Neverdo we entertain negativity and never do we
denounce anyone. Hamstrung? Proly was often best to not say anything living
within the culture. Dare anyone call a spade a spade in TM?-Buck
# #
“..speakingill and thinking ill of someone, dwelling on the weaknesses
ofsomeone, all their bad qualities come to your heart; [this way] youget your
heart and mind spoiled.
Sowhen through meditation, purity is growing in life, we don't invitethis mud
from outside to make us impure anymore. We have to becautious against our
thoughts that we don't think ill of anyone, andwe don't do ill to anyone
naturally.
Speakingill of others is a very bad.... We say it makes the cloth dirty,makes
the whole personality very dirty and impure. That we have toguard against in
our dealings and feelings with people. Veryimportant; very, very important. It
is as important as dailypractice of meditation.”
Soevidently spiritually speaking what Maharishi is saying here is thatif one
entertains a negativity then one commits a negativity on thesubtle. One may
even take on the energetics in the subtle.Negativity in form then it seems is
like an entity lodging in thesystem spiritually. Like a stress snag, an entity,
like some wouldcall a thought-form, energetically stuck in the fabric of the
subtlesystem. There is proly some truth to that. -Buck
Maharishion
Negativity:https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403800
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403804
---In [email protected], <dickmays@...> wrote :
Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others
Don't Speak Ill, Remain Pure, 1964
Everyone has to discharge one's duty towards himself and towards spreading of
this meditation in whatever capacity one can. And never undermine any other's
attempt or desires in whatever humble way it may be.
One thing of very great importance: that now when you have been meditating for
some time, purity has grown in life quite a lot. As the mind gains more and
more of the Being, mind becomes more and more pure.
But one thing which you have to be very cautious about is that you don't think
evil of anyone, don't speak ill of anyone. Otherwise speaking ill and thinking
ill of someone, dwelling on the weaknesses of someone, all their bad qualities
come to your heart; [this way] you get your heart and mind spoiled.
So when through meditation, purity is growing in life, we don't invite this mud
from outside to make us impure anymore. We have to be cautious against our
thoughts that we don't think ill of anyone, and we don't do ill to anyone
naturally.
Speaking ill of others is a very bad.... We say it makes the cloth dirty, makes
the whole personality very dirty and impure. That we have to guard against in
our dealings and feelings with people. Very important; very, very important.
It is as important as daily practice of meditation.
In the olden days in India, there was a practice that if some man did some
great sin, then the way to repent it was that he would cover his body with a
cloth like that and will go to any village. Standing out of the village, he
would shout out: my name is such and such, and I come from that village, and I
happened to be doing like that and like that and like that. He would just
announce it and go ahead, and keep on announcing from village to village.
And the effect was: all the people who heard him, if in their evening meetings
with their fellow men, they talk about that, then the contention is that they
partake of his sin and after some time he becomes pure. Just by talking about
the sinner, the people who talk about him share his sin.
This is very dangerous. Someone has done something wrong and if we dwell on
that and talk it over with someone, we have been affected by that sin and we
spread that sin; we partake of his sin and take it upon us.
Anyone who has done any mistake there or there or there, we just don't speak of
it. Otherwise we will only be shrouding ourselves with the sins of others.
Very important, especially now when through this Transcendental Meditation we
are making ourselves more and more full with Being, means more and more full
with purity, then we have to guard against this thing which is very dangerous.
No one thinks that if I am talking ill of someone, then no one thinks that I am
taking over his sin. It is a common practice in the world to simply talk
something wrong done by others. It is just very harmful for us.
Question (inaudible, about newspaper writers?)
They do a great service as far as amending of the wrong is concerned, but as
far as partaking of his sin is concerned, they do partake. They help the sinner
by spreading the news about him and everybody talks about him, and then all of
them partake of the sins. As far as partaking of the sin is concerned, that is
helpful for the sinner.
In Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna said to Arjuna at one point [Gita 9:1, see
below] that I am giving you this most secret wisdom because, one condition out
of many that He said was, that you never speak ill of others (anasuya). That is
you don't speak ill of others, for this quality in you I think you deserve this
wisdom, so I give this wisdom to you. Just this quality of not speaking ill of
others.
Out of my own experience, I tell you, in the ashram of my Guru Dev, there were
100s of people, all good disciples. And everyone after all is a human being. No
aspirant is ever perfect. They come to the feet of the master for that
perfection. So everyone has his own failing there and there and there. I had my
own failings, I never knew what were they, but must be because no human is ever
perfect.
One thing I was famous about is that I will not speak ill of anyone. I would
always cherish a hope of his becoming better sooner or later. I would always
cherish a hope.
If someone says: that man has done like that and such a bad man. [I would say:]
“Now that he is in the ashram he will improve.” Always I cherish a hope against
all the wrongs done by all the people.
And the effect that you find today is all this world Movement to bring peace to
every man all around the world; it is a very great thing in the long history of
the world. This great force of purity and strength for spiritual regeneration
of entire mankind, no surprise [that it] is based on the faculty of mind that
will not cherish into the wrongs of others.
Bhagavad Gita 9:1
The Blessed Lord said:
Now I shall fully declare to you, who do not cavil, this the greatest secret,
the knowledge combined with the experience, having known which you will be
freed from evil.
Quote from Upanishads, which was used in Vedic Atom Pledge (1980)
Let us be together,
Let us eat together,
Let us be vital together,
Let us be radiating truth, radiating the light of life,
Never shall we denounce anyone, never entertain negativity.
==================================================
Maharishi on the best principle in life is to find something good in others and
talk about that good
"Always we take a good attitude about a thing. Any situation we try to mean
well. In our heart, in our mind we just take a good aspect of it. Taking like
that a few times, we develop a habit of taking the best out of the thing,
taking the best out of the situation, making the best out of the situation.
Otherwise, it is very easy for us to become so critical: 'That is also not
right,' 'This is also bad,' 'No good,' 'No, no, no.' Everywhere 'no' and 'no,'
and the whole social behavior gets into a muddle.
Because if that attitude becomes a habit, then no matter what comes to us --
'That is no good' -- we will find a negative aspect and condemn it for that
instead of locating a beautiful, good, positive point and accepting it for that.
Always we look upon something due to which we can love that thing, that object,
that situation. Always. Because if someone is a bad man, at least we should
save our heart and our mind by not thinking of the evil doings of his. We will
pick up some one good point in him and then admire him for that one good point.
We don't mind the other dark side of him.
Because if we think of the dark side, we are putting the dark shadow in our
heart and mind. If someone is dark, why should we put their dark shadow in our
heart and mind by thinking about it? He has done something wrong. Why by
thinking of his wrong should we allow that wrong to occupy our heart and mind
and muddle our life?
And therefore, the best principle in life is: Find out something good in him
and talk of that good, that's all. Otherwise, it's very easy when two people
sit and talk about it, 'Look at that, that man, that, that, that.' [Audience
laughter] Without any reason we bring the bad shadows in our heart and mind.
It's lack of skill in viewing things, in commenting on things.
Always we pick up a good point. We feel good about it. If we speak, we radiate
good in the hearts of others. It's very, very necessary that particularly,
particularly with those who are dear to you, when you sit together with them
alone, always talk of some good things here and some good things there and some
good things here. Then the meeting is of a very, very valuable, beneficial
nature.
If you sit together and think of that man like that and that man like that,
[it's a] waste of life. That meeting is a waste. Never with your friends, with
your near ones, with your dear ones do we talk of something negative. Because
so many millions of things are there for us to talk [about], why focus on that
one [negative] point and unnecessarily make ourself miserable and make that man
miserable with whom we are talking?
It's very important that we inculcate a habit of looking at the good points of
others. And it's very easy to do so particularly when we are meditating and we
have more ability to forgive others."
~Maharishi~~Squaw Valley, USA -- August 21, 1968 -- Audiotape~
Jai Guru Dev
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