On Nov 21, 2005, at 3:27 PM, sparaig wrote: > --- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> On Nov 21, 2005, at 3:15 PM, sparaig wrote: >> > [...] >>>> >>>> http://www.noetic.org/research/medbiblio/ch1.htm >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ITs really hard to generalize from an article from 1955. > Scientific >>> apparatus and techniques have matured greatly since then. Also, > how >>> do you know it was the specific technique you've been referring > to? >>> Even if given the same name, do you know if the teachers were from >>> the same tradition? Telephone effect and all that... >> >> It's just an example from 1955 describing samadhi and using > virtually >> identical adjectives. Take it for what you will--the yogic > tradition >> has been familiar with these adjectives from experience for much >> longer than 1955. It's just part of the way it is taught, when > it's >> taught fully. I liked Rick's example he gave of the guru M. took > his >> students to who exhibited the same state. M. admitted his students >> could not do this. Still can't or I'm sure we'd see it being used > to >> market falling sales :-). >> >> Recent research has been even more provocative IMO. It's all >> interesting. >> > > You snipt the part in that study concerning accelerated heart rate > and certainly NO mention was made of breath suspension. In that > entire book, the only episodes of breath suspension mentioned inany > study are for TM. This doesn't prove anything save that you were > willing to snip out of context to try and prove your point, not that > I am surprised, mind you...
Uh, the point wasn't breath suspension, it was about samadhi and "paralysis", etc. There are articles in there as well of people reducing breath considerably--even to the extent of being buried underground. Advanced meditators will often only breath once a minute, the breath gets that subtle. Not that any of this is really important to the practitioners, it's not. If I am given the signs of a certain meditation practice, the last thing my teacher would ask for is an EEG or breath rate. If the signs arise, then practice is proceeding. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
